Womens rights in Japan or elsewhere

[MMM]

Originally Posted by GoNative

It is the ideal you believe in. Not all of us agree it's necessarily the best way. I do not believe at all that a parent at home full time is necessarily better for the child. It all depends on if they are good parents. Many are not.

Now you are forcing me to repeat myself.

Naturally if the parent is non-functional, a drug addict, etc. then that stay-at-home parent would not be good for raising children. If they are not a good parent, they shouldn't have had children in the first place. That's obvious.

However, if the family has the means and the ability, IDEALLY it is best for one's natural parents to raise the child. I cannot see how you could honestly argue this isn't true.

Originally Posted by GoNative

I think you must live in a very different community than that which is familiar to me. Amongst the group of friends I have your views would be considered very old fashioned and somewhat narrow minded. As I say I don't know anyone from my friends in Australia who has raised their children in the way you believe in. All of them appear very well adjusted and happy children.

Imagine how much happier and more well adjusted they might be if they were closer to their parents.

Originally Posted by GoNative

In terms of day care raising my child for 8 hours a day I can assure you that if I wasn't completely happy with the job they are doing then we would either change day care centres or look at other alternatives. As it is I don't think we could actually do any better job. The lady who runs the centre has been looking after kids for many, many years and frankly is far more experienced at it than we are. Our little girl is in excellent hands.

I am not going to comment on your personal situation, but like I said, it sounds like you found a good place. In only everyone was so lucky.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

Is it not possible to care about these equally?

Would you want to be raised by two parents that don't love you or value you more than their careers?

I have friends raised in homes like that. Now as adults they dread seeing their parents on holidays.

[Ryzorian]

Come on MMM, the way things are going in the US these days, it wont be long before it's the State that raises kids.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

Love is a different thing~

I don't get why you insist on saying you have to have one or the other. This is 2011, you can have both with no detriment to the child whatsoever. It's not even an ideal in my view, if the child is happy then I don't see the problem.

I am not sure if it matters if it is 2011 or 1911.

In an ideal world a child should be raised by his parents, rather than strangers.

Why is it so hard to agree with?

And I am not sure how you can say there is no detriment to the child whatsoever if he is raised by strangers. Why is that more ideal, in your view, than raised by blood?

If the child is happy, you don't see a problem? What young child would rather be with strangers rather than his parents?

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

Love is a different thing~

I don't get why you insist on saying you have to have one or the other. This is 2011, you can have both with no detriment to the child whatsoever. It's not even an ideal in my view, if the child is happy then I don't see the problem.

I would like to ask you this question in ten years time-- except its doubtful I 'll still be around.


How you can be so complacent and certain when you don't have the experience.

But then-- I thought I knew everything when I was your age. Now I realise how little I still know-- even if Lived for a thousand years I would still be learning.

How on earth can you state there is no detriment to a child. How do you know that? do you know all the children in the world?

Have you lived their lives?

anyway no doubt one day you will remember this discussion.

Will you have the same view I wonder?

By the way when you keep referring to "THE KID" as if its just a goat or something shows that you have no idea at all.

a child is not JUST THE KID. Its a human being brought into this world.

If ever you do have children-- will you still refer to it as "THE KID"?

None of us choose where when or to whom we will be born-- unless of course You know differently.

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by MMM

I am not sure if it matters if it is 2011 or 1911.

In an ideal world a child should be raised by his parents, rather than strangers.

Why is it so hard to agree with?

And I am not sure how you can say there is no detriment to the child whatsoever if he is raised by strangers. Why is that more ideal, in your view, than raised by blood?

If the child is happy, you don't see a problem? What young child would rather be with strangers rather than his parents?

depending of course if those parents are decent parents MM. If they are not-- then alternatives need to be found where the child will have love and security. but sadly even that is not guaranteed--An awful lot of children here in UK are in the not very good Care system.

[princessmarisa]

Originally Posted by MMM

I am not sure if it matters if it is 2011 or 1911.

In an ideal world a child should be raised by his parents, rather than strangers.

Why is it so hard to agree with?

And I am not sure how you can say there is no detriment to the child whatsoever if he is raised by strangers. Why is that more ideal, in your view, than raised by blood?

If the child is happy, you don't see a problem? What young child would rather be with strangers rather than his parents?

So I take it you disagree with adoption too?

Blood is best is such a strange notion in civilised intelligent species, as we act far more with thought than say instinct which is all that would cause you to protect your own DNA.

There are schools of thought that children who are sent to daycare and have different babysitters actually develop far better social skills and become happier, or even more successful as a result of that.

Just look at the poor social development of most home-schoolers for obvious indication of this.


A good upbringing has little to nothing to do with how much time the actual parents spend with the children, and everything to do with how they are being looked after.

If parents are leaving young children alone, or letting children play on the streets way into the night, this is wrong yes. If they carefully select babysitters, day care then it is just the same, and in some cases better.

You have to pass exams and government inspection to work with children, you don't need a license to get pregnant and be a parent.
Yes the system fails sometimes, but we only know this because it is so heavily advertised, thousands of children unhappy with their own blood parents treating them bad, but not bad enough for social service to get involved will go undetected all the time.

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

I'm young so I know nothing~ Righttt.

There is someone else who DOES have children and shares my opinion. So is he/she wrong too?

You can ask me in ten years time, and I'll think the same. I have the best experience you can get - I AM a child that has been brought up with working parents, I had an amazing childhood and I'm doing extremely well for myself. It hasn't been a detriment to me, or my brothers, one who is acing his GCSEs and the other is at University studying Neuroscience.

So I think I have THE best experience on this. I've been brought up in this way, so I can talk about it and have an opinion on it should I wish to do so.

Also, you don't know every child in the world either, and you haven't even been brought up like this yourself, so your opinion is just as valid is mine is.

Having a stay-at-home Mum is good, but having working parents is just as good - because each have plus points and negative points that balance each other out.

(As for 'the kid', here parents refer to their children like that. 'Oh have you taken the kids to school yet?' That's not offensive at all where I come from.)

I did not feel capable of having a chiild and caring for it when I was your age Misa. I would have been a bad parent I know.

I did not have a clue. I am glad for you that you had such a great childhood-- we are not saying mothers shouldn't work at all. Most would have to-- to survive.


mums need a llife also. Much depends who is the extra curricular stand in.

GoNative has described an excellent place for his child-- and thats great.


anyway we are pedalling backwards all the time here-- so I wish you a good future and maybe once you have been to the university of life your views MAY or MAY not change.

You are entitled to your views but I hate the attitude that a child is just THE KID as though it is of no importance whatsoever.


There are too many neglected children out there and thats why society is so bad these days with drinking and knifing etc.

glad to hear your brother is doing well also.

[dogsbody70]

Statistics on looked after children | The Fostering Network

how many children are in the care system in UK?

[princessmarisa]

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

Statistics on looked after children | The Fostering Network

how many children are in the care system in UK?

I thought I explained the concept of relevance to you previously