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12-30-2010, 01:12 PM
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I don't expect anyone to agree with me. Its just random thoughts so lets hear what YOu think. 
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12-30-2010, 02:20 PM
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Disagree/laugh/ignore me at your pleasure. 1 ) I think that the wars created opportunities for women who often took over the tasks previously done by men. Certainly here in UK many women did. Working in the munitions factories, working in the fields- in the FORCES etc etc. I agree WW1 helped set up the suffragette movement and by WW2 proved the fact. 2 ) Women are not usually as physically strong as men-- but if the right opportunities are created-- they can do many things. Without a doubt men are bigger and stronger. but I disagree with the second statement anyway I digress so here is my main point. Basicaly im of the opinion that beside 1 or 2 (strength or size) points im of the opinion that girls are just as good or better than us boys. thats why i disagreed....it seemed you thought less of your gender than i do.
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12-30-2010, 03:48 PM
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Dogsbody's mention of the wartime employment of women in traditional male roles reminded me of something. One of the strongest triggers for women's push for equality in the workplace was the result of those women being shoved back into the role of "housekeeper" and barred from those types of jobs after the war. It woke up some people and showed that most job descrimination based on gender is unsupportable by facts.  Only an open mind and open heart can be filled with life. ********************* Find your voice; silence will not protect you.
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12-30-2010, 04:38 PM
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I like women I like Men. But we are physicially and I feel also we think differently. Also for a start its the woman wno carried and gives birth to a baby. She needs to be strong in character and I believe that given the right chances in life they are capable of many things. I don't want to be a builder. but we have female engineers. Women are really good at multi tasking and bringing up a family in itself is a challenge. If I had had the opportunity when young I would have loved to study child Psychology. I think you misunderstand me anyway. Anyone with the drive and ambition and chances to enter fields where normally Men were considered the only ones capable. We don't all get the chance-- it depends on how we are brought up and what encouragement there is. Not so long ago women who married had to leave their jobs-- especially in the civil service. reason of course because it was assumed that baby's would come along and the woman need to take too much time off. I doubt if there is equal pay for equal work with women doing identical work. even Now here in UK. women have always been downtrodden in history and had to KNOW HER PLACE-- thank goodness-- times have changed but many religions still have that attitude towards women. Those brave suffragettes had to really fight for the right of women to vote. why do the men often want to keep women DOWN? or treat them as second class citizens. cou;d it be fear that a woman can do the job as well or even better than the men Because women are bright and capable of so much. PS why do you disagree with the second statement?
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12-30-2010, 05:58 PM
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Can you build bridges? How many female engineers do we have? I am sure there are some but sorry but I feel that most religions have always tried to suppress women. to pretend that men and women are the same is ridiculous. I am not as strong as a man--never have been. Maybe some women may be-- but would men want women to be body builders etc and have those huge muscles? Yes women do these things-- but I don't even want to be as strong as a man. I might be expected to some of the unpopular jobs-- such as empting dustcarts etc. NO I am happy to be weaker than men-- but mentally-- Is different again. I wonder how many men would like to give their own job up to a woman? How many like these career women who are at the top of their tree in business skills etc. Its really about what opportunities are available for females. what companies will employ females for the same wages as men? I feel that maybe Japan is where UK used to be when it comes to job opportunities
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12-30-2010, 08:56 PM
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h a ha Misa I'm way too old to care what anyone thinks of me. Thing is: it seems that in Japan women do not have equal rights. LOL I used to build kennels Ha ha but building a large building? A lot also depends on fitness. I would have no wish to compete with men. I'm retired. when I was young, women were not allowed to get a mortgage. times are changing aren't they and with modern technology many mechanical thingsmake life easier. Not having to plough the fields with a horse and plough. In the old days farming was totally different. glad to hear your dad employs women in his engineering company. is it physical work that they do? what are you aiming to do?
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12-31-2010, 01:24 AM
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it's a kind of social type-casting, which is a form of prejudice and discrimination. I don't think I've ever heard any arguments or philosophies which back up discrimination as passable let alone good. I get that the women aren't complaining about it from a sexism standpoint, which is good I guess. But I've never met a Japanese woman who was exposed to a western relationship and didn't feel instantly envious of the shared cooking/cleaning/etc, even if it's still mostly the woman.
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12-31-2010, 03:02 AM
It seems an awful lot like oppression if society is educating men and women that it is normal for them to fit into their own roles, regardless of if they are happy about it or not.
Discrimination has nothing to do with how happy someone is about it. I'm perpetually discriminated against in the best of ways here, it's hard not to enjoy it lol, but regardless it's not "right"
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12-31-2010, 03:16 AM
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The shock was pretty much impossible to miss if I ever said this though - particularly at school. I was always told that I was better than that, that I shouldn`t let anyone decide my future for me (as apparently it was impossible that I would choose that without someone pushing me to), that surely there was something else I wanted to be more. It made me feel as if there was something very wrong with me, as no normal girl wanted to grow up, get married and have children. I went through most of my childhood trying to think up options that other people would approve of. All in all, quite depressing. Being a mother was the bottom of the heap and was NOT something someone wanted to be - it was something they sacrificed their real lives for and put up with. I was told that I should actually be ashamed as women fought for the right to work, and I would be throwing away all their hard work if I chose to be a mother and stay home when I didn`t have to. Quote:
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Anyway though, I think that there is a huge double standard when it comes to Japanese men vs. western men - something which tends to cast undeserved negativity on Japanese men. In a Japanese man, cooking and cleaning is considered "feminine", "wrong", and pretty much the opposite of what will attract women. In western men, it`s romantic and wonderful. Japanese men are supposed to shut up and earn the money - western men are supposed to be loving and romantic. Just like how people will notice my son`s beautiful eyes because he`s half... Women notice the loving and romantic traits of western men. Not because they`re necessarily always there, but because they`re supposed to be. My son`s eyes are dark brown, just like his father`s and everyone else`s. But they MUST be lighter and prettier in color - he`s part foreign! Western men get told how wonderful it is that they help out, how much better they are than Japanese men who never help or cook... Not because Japanese men never help out or cook, but because western men are supposed to be more helpful and "romantic". Japanese men who cook and clean tend to get rejected by girls because it makes them feel like they`re doing something wrong, because it`s not "cool", because it`s "not right", etc. Because they`re Japanese, it`s not loving or romantic. It`s taken as a criticism. The same women who go on and on about how they wish they could find a wonderful romantic western boyfriend are the same ones who scream at their husbands for going into the kitchen or kick them out of the house if they`re at home "too much" because men don`t below in the home. It`s all about perception. My husband cooks and cleans, and loves doing so. It made him about as unpopular as possible with the ladies. If I talk to women who tell me how I shouldn`t have gotten together with an inferior Japanese man because western men are all so romantic and helpful around the house... and I go on to point out that my husband loves to cook and clean and is quite loving and romantic - they make sure to tell me that I must be wrong or that it couldn`t possibly compare to what a western man would do, etc etc. I have no doubt that if these women were in a relationship with a western man who did the exact same level of stuff as the men they`re currently with - they would see every little gesture as something romantic and loving and have nothing but praise. In real life experience both dating in Japan and in the US - there isn`t much of a difference. It`s down to the individual. The big difference is how women react. Put a western guy and a Japanese guy with pretty much identical traits in a relationship - see how things change once the woman praises the western guy up and down for helping out around the house and being romantic by wanting to be close to her at home... and berates the Japanese guy for not fulfilling his masculine responsibilities by wasting time at home doing girly stuff. Quote:
Being a mother is not being oppressed. Being pushed into doing anything that you do not want is being oppressed - be that staying at home or working full time. Being told that your choice is the wrong one and being told to do something else is something that should not happen. You should be free to choose - not just free to choose from a set of limited options.
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12-31-2010, 03:20 AM
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 Japan is not Sudan or Chad where women are stoned on the street for looking at another man. What is the oppression you talk of? Many of the strongest women I have met in the world are Japanese. They may not be loud and thump their chests, but trust me, the wives and mothers are the people running the show. Many men may be alpha males in the workplace, but at home they get the same treatment as their teenage sons, getting an allowance and hot meal... and they like it like that. I have met MANY Japanese women who are perfectly happy with how things are done in Japan. They aren't looking for a Western man to whisk them away to Europe or Australia... they like Japan, Japanese food, Japanese pop culture, and Japanese men, who work hard to allow them to do the things and live the life they want to live. I know many women that tense up like Rain Man when a man enters the kitchen. "Don't touch anything!" They say a man's home is his castle, but in Japan, a kitchen is mom's castle, and don't try and invade it. I have tried helping Japanese women cook, or wash the dishes and end up in the way. Sure, some women in Japan like the idea of Western values (the opposite is true for many Western men) but you can see Japanese women can really do it their own way, so when I hear talk of how Japanese women are oppressed, it makes me cringe. Gotta pull the curtain back a little further. Don't confuse a demure outer shell as oppression. There is a tigress in there.
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