Womens rights in Japan or elsewhere

[Ghap]

Ah this thread seems to have gone of on a tangent.

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by SSJup81

Pretty much, not all want to, or not all have the ability to, or it could be another situation entirely. They can't afford to have them. I know I couldn't when the urge was strong for me, and even now, I still couldn't afford it. It would've been irresponsible of me to bring a child into the world without having the financial means to take care of it, even if I could take care of it emotionally or even be able to go to the doctor because I had no insurance. For some women, who might give up their kids, finances might be the reason why.So you don't even know why? Isn't it harsh to make the judgment if you don't know the full story yourself? Is that really a fair judgment to make? Not everyone give up their children just because they don't like children.

Well Yes-- I could say more but will not on here.

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by SSJup81

Housework is work regardless if it's not as "hard" as it was years ago or not. Sure, you have a washer/dryer, but you still have to iron, fold, and put the clothes away when they're done. If you're living in Japan, more than likely, you won't even have a dryer and have to hang out the laundry.

You still have to clean the home (manual stuff, like mopping/scrubbing/vaccuming/sweeping/dusting, etc) and you still have to cook and clean up when done, etc.

I consider being a homemaker a full-time job, regardless if there are things you can do to make it easier.

I personally hate housework. If I was a housewife, that aspect of it would make me miserable. If I was a housewife, I'd want to be rich enough to pay someone to do it for me. lol

Of course I am unsure of how hard it is in Japan to look after the home but here in UK it is not a full time job at all compared to the past when it ws truly HARD.


HOusework here is a doddle compared to the war years and the period I grew up in.


Japanese have their futons to air? how do they clean their tatami mats? from what I have gleaned is that most houses are small-- with not much clutter?

I have no idea if that is general of course.

I am willing to be informed of the truth for what shall we call the average household.


A lot may depend on how house proud a person is and how many are in the home.


But the important time spent with young children. How young are children when going to official nurseries I wonder-- starting their schooling?

children/pets? Umm, are pets allowed inside the home?

If there are several children in the home?

[dogsbody70]

The Changing Roles of Women in Japanese Society

this is interesting about the role of women and changing society in Japan


whether others know more, then that is also of interest.

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

Haha, older generations ALWAYS say EVERYTHING was harder 'back in the day.'

H AHA MIsa would you like to travel back in time LOL.


seriously It was and obviously before I arrived onto the scene it was harder still.

Have you watched any of the series such as the VICtorian farm the Edwardian farm.


THe farm work was mostly manual-- farm workers travelled around the country trying to get work.


I am fortunate that I am where I am now---

Women who worked in the mills--.Men down in the Mines.

No modern washing powder or machines. Ho woften do you wash your own sheets? clothes?

we are extremely lucky in this generation.

I was watching a film where Japanese farm workers women as well as men were farming with a hoe-- jolly hard work.

Here we have huge combine harvesters that can do the work of hundreds of workers in one go. We have much machinery that takes the hard grafting away.We lost hedges in order to make space for the monsters that took mens jobs away.



Have you ever watched the series "WHO do you think you are? Those genealogical series that takes famous people back through their family history? They often show clips of life as it used to be-- so I am thankful I did not have to be around then.

We lost hedges in order to make space for the monsters that took mens jobs away.

It is called progress but sometimes when its too easy-- we can get very lazy,

As i am just now.

LOL no doubt when you are my age you to will tell younger generation that they don' t know how lucky they are-- we all do it

I do think though there is a LOT of stress these days with all the competition there is out there.

Its not easy in many ways.

[termogard]

Originally Posted by Nyororin

In a Japanese man, cooking and cleaning is considered "feminine", "wrong", and pretty much the opposite of what will attract women. In western men, it`s romantic and wonderful. Japanese men are supposed to shut up and earn the money - western men are supposed to be loving and romantic.......
Japanese men who cook and clean tend to get rejected by girls because it makes them feel like they`re doing something wrong, because it`s not "cool", because it`s "not right", etc. Because they`re Japanese, it`s not loving or romantic. It`s taken as a criticism.
The same women who go on and on about how they wish they could find a wonderful romantic western boyfriend are the same ones who scream at their husbands for going into the kitchen or kick them out of the house if they`re at home "too much" because men don`t below in the home.

Rather strange stereotypes they have !

[protheus]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

I'm a feminist. Feminists did not fight so that women could work. They fought so that women had the freedom to choose whether they wanted to or not.

I totally agree, and so does my two sisters. This is a subject I spoke about very often in my groups, it was a long conversation point and every time the conclusion was this: the freedom to choose, that is what feminism was all about, not about being "blamed" if you choose not to be a career women.

The imposed roles aren't that "imposed" anymore, are just choices. Traditions are not at the same power as they were before, and that mostly because of television and the sight you get about everything in the world through it.

[MMM]

I didn't realize that feminism was about the freedom to choose the between work and being a house wife.

I thought feminism was about equality, same wage for same work.

If women have the gained the right to choose between house wife and career, then what choices do men have?

[GoNative]

Originally Posted by MMM

I didn't realize that feminism was about the freedom to choose the between work and being a house wife.

I thought feminism was about equality, same wage for same work.

If women have the gained the right to choose between house wife and career, then what choices do men have?

It's certainly about equality but it goes way beyond just same wage for same work. It goes to breaking down the prejudices and discrimnation that create gender roles in work and the home. Equality means that the gender of a person makes no difference, they are judged purely on qualifications, ability and merit.

Men get to choose to do whatever they want like they've always been able to.

[JasonTakeshi]

I study, work and do the housework. And dare any women to mess with my kitchen.

And I'm a straight man! (Not saying men who do this are gay) I'm just studying away from home so I have to do all by myself.