Feelings Toward Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

How do you know all this?

I've read various books on the issue.

I posted this link earlier in the thread if you want to read it. It sums it up pretty well

John Pilger: The lessons that should be learnt from Hiroshima | Comment is free | The Guardian

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

See what you're doing?

You're playing 2 wrongs make a right.

I don't play that game and I refuse to go along with a narrative of history that reads like a Star Wars movie.

Oh maybe if you were involved at the time you might think differently.

anyway whats the point. It happened-- can't change it now.

I keep saying we should always remember it as a warning about the horrors of using Nuclear bombs.


for goodness sake why can't we all get on. its crazy going on and on about the rights and wrongs.

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by MMM

I already thanked you for indulging me, and I said I can't make you participate in this indulgence.



That is an interesting perspective, and I think speaks to the innate evil of war itself.



I don't think I can let you off the hook on this one.

Last things first, those that attacked the Twin Towers on 9/11 certainly saw all the people that they killed as valid targets.

However, I didn't say all Japanese were legitimate targets, only that they didn't have the choice to not be Japanese, just as storm troopers didn't have the choice not to be storm troopers. That doesn't make the Japanese guilty, but just makes the storm troopers more innocent.

Has this conversation changed to a fantasy war? Ps Please tell me MM-- apart from the bombing of Pearl Harbour before 9/11 had the citizens in AMERICA been bombed as other countries had?

[MMM]

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

Has this conversation changed to a fantasy war? Ps Please tell me MM-- apart from the bombing of Pearl Harbour before 9/11 had the citizens in AMERICA been bombed as other countries had?

I don't think you are understanding me, and I don't understand the point of the question.

[termogard]

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

.... apart from the bombing of Pearl Harbour before 9/11 had the citizens in AMERICA been bombed as other countries had?

As 3M can not understand your simple question : no, they had not been bombed between Pearl Harbour and 9/11. The US has an unique geographic place and no country has a chance to bomb the USA in case of a limited local war (not in case of a possible global thermonuclear conflict).

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by MMM

I don't think you are understanding me, and I don't understand the point of the question.

The point is: Had the Americans citizens known what it was like to be bombed as happened elsewhere.


Pearl Harbour was an easy target-- but were towns cities etc ever actually bombed? America woke up when the twin towers were attacked. that has led to invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush was too eager to kill the terrorists. Brought UK into it against advice from the UN. we were told a pack of lies re WMD's. Many Brits did Not wish to go to war in Iraq or Afghanistan.

surely the question was: why was there an attack on twin towers? Obviously the attackers were not too happy with American Politics So many innocent lives were lost that day and SINCE------- with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Maybe this should go on another thread.


I still cannot fathom why you are using star wars as an example on this subject.

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by termogard

As 3M can not understand your simple question : no, they had not been bombed between Pearl Harbour and 9/11. The US has an unique geographic place and no country has a chance to bomb the USA in case of a limited local war (not in case of a possible global thermonuclear conflict).

thank you termogard.

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

I've read various books on the issue.

I posted this link earlier in the thread if you want to read it. It sums it up pretty well

John Pilger: The lessons that should be learnt from Hiroshima | Comment is free | The Guardian

thankyou Ronin, I had seen this before. Not sure that one mans opinion will influence me really but thank you.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

thankyou Ronin, I had seen this before. Not sure that one mans opinion will influence me really but thank you.

lol.. one mans opinion.

Check the facts. Check out other historians.

Not to mention this "one man" is one of the most respected investigative journalists to have ever lived.

Just because politicians in the US outnumber the people that are calling for the truth to be admitted doesn't mean that they're right.

[termogard]

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

America woke up when the twin towers were attacked. that has led to invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush was too eager to kill the terrorists. Brought UK into it against advice from the UN. we were told a pack of lies re WMD's. Many Brits did Not wish to go to war in Iraq or Afghanistan.

America woke up, yes. An average Joe suddenly realized that american cities also can be attacked by enemy.
As for Bush Jr.... that is just not that simple, as 3M used to say.
GWB started a war under false pretexts and turned Iraq into bloody mess.

Imagine, that you are a SANE leader of some country with a decent military capabilities. Your intelligence informs you about a location of a terrorist's camp. You gives an order and your special forces make an operation with a surgeon's accuracy. Terrorists are wiped out without harm for civilians. No need to invade a whole country (except a case when you wish to seize and steal their oil, of course).
Many Brits did Not wish to go to war in Iraq or Afghanistan, you said.
But Antony Bliar played a role of lap dog very well.