Feelings Toward Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by fluffy0000

The USSBS of 1946' was flawed not could have been flawed?

The part where he tries to account for it more than 30 years later.

IF true then this would only prove that the US lucked out rather than they made an informed decision that victory was only 2 a-bombs away.

[fluffy0000]

classic 'BS' dude. I'm bailing out.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

The latter is definitely true.

The former.. well inot provable perhaps. Japan definitely reached out though.

So you are saying Japan was willing to agree to surrender, but America bombed it anyway? This isn't the history I have read.

[GoNative]

Plus it's a ridiculous contention really. Japan was not only at war with the US. They were at war with many countries. If the US wasn't listening the Japanese could easily have made it clear to many other countries that they were willing to surrender. They didn't as far as I know. And the terms of the surrender that the allies were willing to accept were very clear. I haven't seen anything to suggest that prior to the bombing the Japanese were clearly saying they were williing to accept unconditional surrender. Not even Ronin's hero Pilger can show evidence of that.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by GoNative

Plus it's a ridiculous contention really. Japan was not only at war with the US. They were at war with many countries. If the US wasn't listening the Japanese could easily have made it clear to many other countries that they were willing to surrender. They didn't as far as I know. And the terms of the surrender that the allies were willing to accept were very clear. I haven't seen anything to suggest that prior to the bombing the Japanese were clearly saying they were williing to accept unconditional surrender. Not even Ronin's hero Pilger can show evidence of that.

The Japanese made attempts to talk via neutral countries. It might not have resulted in surrender but we'll never know.

And I used Pilger as a summary.

He's not my entire argument.

[RickOShay]

I am surprised nobody has mentioned operation ketsugo yet. I am sorry but after reading this can anybody really argue that Japan was wholeheartedly trying to surrender... i don't think so..


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[nobora]

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

EXACTLY. Yes.

Well its true.

[Ryzorian]

Japan theoretically atempted a third party through Russia, but of course since Russia was going to attack, that went nowhere. Other than that, the Military in Japan called the shots and they weren't going to accept the US "Unconditional" scenario. The Bombs gave the emperor the leverage he needed to push the Exstreamists into a corner. Even then, there was an atempted coo by the army.

There is also the possible idea the bombs were droped so quickly to get Japan to surrendor before Russian forces were fully engaged, because we had learned by then that Russia never gave anything back, and we didn't want a "Tokyo wall".

It's history anyway, it changed how the world does things, perhaps for the better, since there hasn't been a major war since then. All the other wars afterward, have been minor compared to WW2. The Bombs may not have ended all war, but up till now they have prevented World Wars.

[dogsbody70]

I have to agree with ryzorian in his latter sentence.


Lets hope North Korea--will not re-ignite.


Japan knows exactly what it is like. So do we really want armageddon Now?

[termogard]

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

Lets hope North Korea--will not re-ignite.

It depends of "senior comrades" from chinese capital.