Feelings Toward Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[chryuop]

Originally Posted by MMM

WWII? Not started by Americans

Even pushers say "we sell drugs, we don't shoot it in their veins" LOL.
True you didn't shoot the gun first, but pushed the finger that pushed that trigger. Penalties to repay fro WWI were taken to a very extreem point and brought Germany to starvation...that added to the craziness of a dwarf with mustaches created the war.

There are many ways to start a war without starting it...you just have to read between the lines. To enter the war (because Germany was becoming too strong economically) USA used a nice trick that in history was recorded many times (even my country, Italy, used it to be attacked and get help by France in middle ages). Place all you army on the border till you get attacked (Pearl Harbor).
Iraq itself was a target till the gulf war. The embargo placed by US and UN was by far unnecessary. Many people, including kids, died because no medicine could have been sent.

War is money, period. USA is the one who has the more to lose or to gain being the big power and it is obvious it wants to play a leading role...that of course creates not a good opinion in other countries.

[GoNative]

Well at least Pilger is more respectable than the previous link you put up. Ever since his involvement as a war correspondent in Vietnam though he has been extremely scathing of nearly all US foreign policies (and I agree with many of his views) but his is only an opinion piece and he is a journalist. I don't trust everything they say

If the National archives do have evidence of these overtures of peace does anyone have links to them? Would be interesting to get a translation to see exactly what they say. I don't overly trust the interpretations of a journalist who has been pretty anti US for most of his career.

[GoNative]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Had Japan not undertook WW2 Europeans might still be in charge of much of Asia and the Pacific.

So Japan just liberated the poor Asians from their western imperialist oppressors?? LOL
I suppose they were just going to hand back the countries to the people once the threat of the westerners was completely wiped out?
Oh you really are too funny at times Ronin!

[termogard]

Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery

Can you?

I posted some sources. You may check above.

Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery

I've never had to use "I believe" in my arguments so far, but you have. Because I post facts.

You posted "facts" without sources? It is much worse than "I believe"

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by GoNative

So Japan just liberated the poor Asians from their western imperialist oppressors?? LOL
I suppose they were just going to hand back the countries to the people once the threat of the westerners was completely wiped out?
Oh you really are too funny at times Ronin!

You edited the other part of my post you prick.

I clearly said that if we are going to credit the US with consequences they didn't intend then surely we must do the same with the Japanese.

[GoNative]

You prick? LOL

No sheep where you are Ronin? No wonder you get so agitated! Go home and get your rocks off, you'll be a much nicer person for it!!

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by GoNative

Well at least Pilger is more respectable than the previous link you put up. Ever since his involvement as a war correspondent in Vietnam though he has been extremely scathing of nearly all US foreign policies (and I agree with many of his views) but his is only an opinion piece and he is a journalist. I don't trust everything they say

If the National archives do have evidence of these overtures of peace does anyone have links to them? Would be interesting to get a translation to see exactly what they say. I don't overly trust the interpretations of a journalist who has been pretty anti US for most of his career.

Just an opinion? He gives sources and facts to back up his point.

The archives seem to be accurate concerning the US records not to mention that other historians have stated clearly that this is so.

Like I said.. I've done a bit of research into the topic myself.

And Pilger isn't the only guy that claims this. Just the most respected. Though I suppose it's easy to dismiss him as having an agenda.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by GoNative

You prick? LOL

No sheep where you are Ronin? No wonder you get so agitated! Go home and get your rocks off, you'll be a much nicer person for it!!

F*ck off.. I don't take kindly to people that purposefully twist what I say.

It's a sign that you don't know what you're talking about.

[GoNative]

Ah sheep deprivation for New Zealanders is a terrible thing to watch...I could send you a nice wool jumper to cuddle up to at night. That might help?

[GoNative]

The US didn't continue to occupy, murder and terrorise the people in the countries they liberated from Japanese. Your sheep deprived mind obviously glossed over this....