Re Abortions

[Suki]

Originally Posted by evanny

suki..if there was a god...george carlin would be my one and only god
when i first watched him - he immediately summed up all of my thoughts with great deal of laughter.

bill maher is now the best of what's left since Carlin is gone.

OMG! Really? Me too!!! I mean, I feel that way about him too!!! He is the closest to being a God than a human being can get! Aside from Messi, of course. Bill Maher...? I'll check him out.

Ahem... as for abortion... Guys, don't lose your grip over this, seriously, you'll never get to an agreement, so it's no use.

[SCIFFIX]

Originally Posted by GoNative

There's plenty that could be done to improve the lot of the 3rd world if 1st world countries (not just the almight US of bloody A) were prepared to reduce the quality of their own lifestyles (but of course they aren't). The incredible inequities we see between countries is only there because of greed. You value your life and those of Americans above those of other countries. Hence you can live your affluent lifestyle without much of a care for those that can't even feed themselves. This just proves the point that we don't value all human life equally. So to me to get all principled on things like abortion just reeks of hypocrasy.

Very interesant GoNative. So did you born in Japan or only lives there?

thanks for the information about abortion in UK dogsbody.

[Ryzorian]

Gonative, cold hard fact is this. The 3rd world is 3rd world becuase thier thought process is 3rd centruy. Those 3rd world nations will NEVER become 1st world or even 2cd world until they themselves choose to grow past thier own limitations. I could give all my money to charity and live in a hovel , hell all of the western nations could. That still wont make 3rd world nations any better than 3rd world, because 3rd world is where they Choose to live.

They will not advance past 3rd world until they have gone through thier own version of "reformation, enlightenment , industrialization and the rest of the steps the US and the other western 1st world nations had to undertake. Until they raise themselves out of the past, they will not have much of a future.

[Kawatta]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Gonative, cold hard fact is this. The 3rd world is 3rd world becuase thier thought process is 3rd centruy. Those 3rd world nations will NEVER become 1st world or even 2cd world until they themselves choose to grow past thier own limitations. I could give all my money to charity and live in a hovel , hell all of the western nations could. That still wont make 3rd world nations any better than 3rd world, because 3rd world is where they Choose to live.

They will not advance past 3rd world until they have gone through thier own version of "reformation, enlightenment , industrialization and the rest of the steps the US and the other western 1st world nations had to undertake. Until they raise themselves out of the past, they will not have much of a future.

Fully Agreed, just like it takes One person to improve themselves and get themselves out of the ghetto or whatever hole they are in. All the help in the world could be dumped in their lap, but it'll just be wasted if they Themselves don't take the necessary steps to improve their situation.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Gonative, cold hard fact is this. The 3rd world is 3rd world becuase thier thought process is 3rd centruy. Those 3rd world nations will NEVER become 1st world or even 2cd world until they themselves choose to grow past thier own limitations. I could give all my money to charity and live in a hovel , hell all of the western nations could. That still wont make 3rd world nations any better than 3rd world, because 3rd world is where they Choose to live.

They will not advance past 3rd world until they have gone through thier own version of "reformation, enlightenment , industrialization and the rest of the steps the US and the other western 1st world nations had to undertake. Until they raise themselves out of the past, they will not have much of a future.

This is one of the most ignorant posts I've ever read.

The "third world" (I hate that term.. it's outdated) isn't poor because they choose to be. It's poor because it is exploited by a mixture of corrupt governments (both indigenous and foreign), multi-national corporations and religion.

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

This is one of the most ignorant posts I've ever read.

The "third world" (I hate that term.. it's outdated) isn't poor because they choose to be. It's poor because it is exploited by a mixture of corrupt governments (both indigenous and foreign), multi-national corporations and religion.

for once I agree with RONIN. Maybe another thread is appropriate for this discussion.

[SCIFFIX]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Gonative, cold hard fact is this. The 3rd world is 3rd world becuase thier thought process is 3rd centruy. Those 3rd world nations will NEVER become 1st world or even 2cd world until they themselves choose to grow past thier own limitations. I could give all my money to charity and live in a hovel , hell all of the western nations could. That still wont make 3rd world nations any better than 3rd world, because 3rd world is where they Choose to live.

They will not advance past 3rd world until they have gone through thier own version of "reformation, enlightenment , industrialization and the rest of the steps the US and the other western 1st world nations had to undertake. Until they raise themselves out of the past, they will not have much of a future.

knowledge about geopolitcs 0%
knowledge about history 0%
knowledge about world economy 0%

probably this man never heard about BRIC ...

this man realy talked about 2nd world?! hahahaha.

limited vision of the world, what strange for a "superior being" from a "perfect 1st world" country!

A chance to save you from the ignorance about world economy: BRIC

and

BBC News - Viewpoint: Brazil's growing international presence

Better back to the central theme of the topic:

In my country abortion is only permitted when the child offers danger to the mother life or if the fetus is a result from sexual violence. The new president promissed to discuss better the theme.

For me the best way to solve the question here is in a plebiscite, asking the population if they want more abrangency in the abortion law, and I think the things are walking to this way. That is the kind of question that I don't want to let in the hands of the burocrats.

[GoNative]

The point I was making wasn't to debate the reasons why some countries are less fortunate than others but was to point out in practice we do not value all human life. One of the big arguments by those against abortion is that all life is sacred. But demonstrably all life is not sacred. Those of us in developed, wealthy nations continue to allow extreme poverty to thrive around the world and in places like the US within their own countries. We all allow incredible amounts of suffering and death to occur purely because of poverty because we don't value all human life. So it's kind of ridiculous to put abortion on some sort of pedastal as though the act of giving birth is somehow more sacred than actually caring about those who are already alive. In reality in this world life is very, very cheap. No reason to get all precous about abortion when we allow so much other death to occur all the time.

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by GoNative

The point I was making wasn't to debate the reasons why some countries are less fortunate than others but was to point out in practice we do not value all human life. One of the big arguments by those against abortion is that all life is sacred. But demonstrably all life is not sacred. Those of us in developed, wealthy nations continue to allow extreme poverty to thrive around the world and in places like the US within their own countries. We all allow incredible amounts of suffering and death to occur purely because of poverty because we don't value all human life. So it's kind of ridiculous to put abortion on some sort of pedastal as though the act of giving birth is somehow more sacred than actually caring about those who are already alive. In reality in this world life is very, very cheap. No reason to get all precous about abortion when we allow so much other death to occur all the time.

You have your own child. Are you glad that he/she was not aborted?

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

You have your own child. Are you glad that he/she was not aborted?