Japanese views on sexual entertainment

[spicytuna]

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

are there prostitutes on the streets inJapan?

There are prostitutes on the street and there are many who linger around love hotels. For example, the Uguisudani station in Tokyo must have around 30 love hotels within a 10 minute walking radius. To no surprise, there are countless prostitutes in the area.

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

I wonder how many women choose to have sex with many men. are they not earning money? If there was a more lucrative way to earn money would they not wish to try something better.

still I am still in the dark ages no doubt but I do wonder about Morals.

Look up Enjyo-Kosai.

While I was in Japan last year, I checked out a 出会い系 cafe to meet someone to talk with but 80% of the girls weren't interested in hanging out. They told me straight on that they wanted to have sex in a love hotel, while being properly compensated.

I knew something was wrong when I was arguing with a pretty girl that I didn't want to have sex but just have some conversation over tea.

[Brass]

Originally Posted by RobinMask

I wasn't aware 'it's always happened' was a legitimate reason/excuse. Murder has occured, well before any of the courts existed, by your logic then murder should be okay too . . . it's practically a tradition, just like prostitution.

Although, I'm getting off-topic, morals aren't part of the original topic of this thread.

Why are you comparing prostitution to murder? Prostitution is a victimless while murder is obviously not.

[Brass]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

That's arguable.

What is there to argue? Are you really saying there is anything to debate as to whether proposition is as bad as murder? Prostitution isn't even a bad thing, let alone comparable to murder.

At minimum you need to explain who exactly is being harmed AT ALL in a prostitution transaction.

[Brass]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

Women usually follow this path because they are desperate. They may be on drugs, have had a bad life, have had some hardship in their life and can see no other way out.

Women RARELY ever sell their bodies because like it, or because it's fun. They do it because they have to. They are victim of the system that failed to offer them the help they needed to get out of it.

If you think prostitution is all fun and games, the women are so happy to offer themselves up to strangers and their lives are good because of it then your views are seriously screwed.

Of course it's not as bad as being dead (though for some reason it really might be) but this is not victimless.

You are basically saying prostitution is bad because women don't like to do but, but do it out of desperation/necessity.

And since (unless you are born rich) everybody needs a job, and I would guess most unskilled people (prostitution is unskilled labor) don't like their jobs, how is prostitution any different? Do you think fast food employees like their job? What about the wal-mart greeters? Guess what, if you don't have any job skills, you're probably going to end up in some job you don't like.

This is not a moral issue, unless you think it's immoral for people to work any job you don't like.

[Brass]

I'll take these points one at a time.

Originally Posted by MissMisa

Yeah but in when I worked part time, I wasn't treated like an object

If your boss forces you do make hamburgers all day, or you'll be fired. How is your body not being used as a tool (object) in exchanged for compensation?

Originally Posted by MissMisa

I had rights, I was safe in my employment, I wasn't exploited

How is this any different from working in a brothel? What rights of the prostitutes are being violated? How are they being exploited if they agreed to work at the brothel?

Originally Posted by MissMisa

I had laws to protect me from discrimination, I wasn't forced to do things that were unlawful or may potentially damage my health, I wasn't putting myself or others in danger, I wasn't doing anything illegal

In what way are the laws not protecting prostitutes, given it's legal in said country (Japan in this case). Why do you think all employees have the right not to work in a dangerous environment? What about the ironworkers who build skyscrapers? What about miners? People who work on oil rigs? It's not illegal or immoral to choose a profession where your life is in danger.

Originally Posted by MissMisa

I got a good reference for future employment, I gained experience relevent to the real world, and I wasn't used and abused by people with a bad moral compass.

The good reference for future employment is only relevant is you intent to leave the sex industry soon. If you plan to keep your entire career in the sex industry than working at a brothel is a good reference. If you plan on getting an office job one day, then the prostitutes should never get into the sex industry. Assuming they chose it, they have to live with their decisions.

Originally Posted by MissMisa

If you think prostitution is the same as working at Wal-Mart then I really don't need to say anymore to you.

Where did I say that? All I claimed is both probably don't like their job. You are not entitled to like your job, and most people don't.

[NanteNa]

Oh wow, Misa. Now I know what you mean... Gosh, what's this place become : (

[Brass]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

I was talking about prostitution in general, not just Japan. The laws on it in Japan are cloudy.

All comments I made were specific to Japan. The law in Japan as I understand it is everything goes besides penetration. Lets establish that all arguments I make are for legal prostitution (no penetration).

Originally Posted by MissMisa

IOther than that, I can't believe what I'm reading.

Your points are logical but they are not at all moral. There is no consideration about how the women feel. If I made a burger I wouldn't feel sexually objectified or degraded. Geez. (And in any job that's illegal.)

Ok, now you're just being intellectually lazy and don't want to make a real case for your position.

What is the moral issue you have a problem with? Assuming we are talking about legal prostitution, as in the women chooses to enter the profession and is not trafficked, why do you have a moral objection to women making that career choice?

You would feel sexual objectified and degraded, there for you would not become a prostitute. But why are your morals applicable to an entire profession of people with varying morals?

[RealJames]

I think this comes down to a deeper concept, Noam Chomsky talks about it as wage-slavery.
Basically "prostituting" yourself.

This might help shed some light on what is "right".
The stigma of sex being sold compared to manual labour being sold for an hourly wage is quite superficial honestly, but that's a non-factual and very emotional feeling.



Also, forced labour is just as bad as forced prostitution, clearly they are immoral.
In the case where the individual man or woman elects to do either out of a freedom of choice, given on an agreed-upon age of moral competence, then they are equally moral.

[RealJames]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

Your points are logical but they are not at all moral. There is no consideration about how the women feel. If I made a burger I wouldn't feel sexually objectified or degraded.

Waitresses at Hooters, are they sexually degraded? I think so...

For the record I'm not ok with prostitution but my reasons are only that young girls are often involved before they reach an age to make a mature decision on the matter. And that it spreads disease.

Morally, I believe there are so many forms of legal employment which are so morally degrading to both men and women, women especially actually. They usually involve some action about which most people would say "I'd never do that for money." In the case of prostitution, it's a form of sex.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by RealJames

Waitresses at Hooters, are they sexually degraded? I think so...

For the record I'm not ok with prostitution but my reasons are only that young girls are often involved before they reach an age to make a mature decision on the matter. And that it spreads disease.

Morally, I believe there are so many forms of legal employment which are so morally degrading to both men and women, women especially actually. They usually involve some action about which most people would say "I'd never do that for money." In the case of prostitution, it's a form of sex.

Degradation means it causes humiliation and a loss of self-esteem. Are Sports Illustrated swimsuit models sexually degraded? If they are, why would anyone want to be one? But there is no shortage of women who strive to be on the cover of Sports Illustrated in a swimsuit. Does that mean models must have low self esteem because they allow their bodies to used to sell magazines or clothes?