Martial Arts

[godwine]

I still stand behind karate. Some school that teaches traditional goju ryu teaches beyond point sparring. And it really depend on how the person train. I myself trained in taekwon do and goju ryu. I take my training beyond the dojo, using what i learn from the dojo, i have regular sparring session with people fro different art, our sparring are al. Full contact, k1 style. So it's really how one train themselves

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by godwine

I still stand behind karate. Some school that teaches traditional goju ryu teaches beyond point sparring. And it really depend on how the person train. I myself trained in taekwon do and goju ryu. I take my training beyond the dojo, using what i learn from the dojo, i have regular sparring session with people fro different art, our sparring are al. Full contact, k1 style. So it's really how one train themselves

If you take your training beyond the dojo then it's no longer goju-ryu that's teaching you how to fight. It's yourself.

The styles I and Termogard mention teach you how to fight INSIDE the dojo.

[godwine]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

If you take your training beyond the dojo then it's no longer goju-ryu that's teaching you how to fight. It's yourself.

The styles I and Termogard mention teach you how to fight INSIDE the dojo.

Hmmm I suppose, fair enough, but my fighting style is still based mostly on the goju principal

[termogard]

Originally Posted by godwine

Hmmm I suppose, fair enough, but my fighting style is still based mostly on the goju principal

Ronin is completely right. Street isn't a dojo and one need to train hard. As for style....

Applied karate: blocks and counter-attack, front kick training.

YouTube - Gru Spetsnaz

[pumpum]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

lol.. Martial arts doesn't guaruntee invincibility. It sounds like you need to change your focus. Even though I would say Kung-fu or TaeKwondo or Karate (except Kyokushin) wouldn't work in a real fight.. they are still respectable arts because they encourage self-improvement and health.

Anyway which martial art has failed you?

In my opinion Boxing or Muay Thai are the only effective ones for streetfighting. They teach you how to throw a good punch and they emphasise full contact sparring a lot which is probably the most important thing in martial arts.

In a one-on-one situation Judo or BJJ are effective too.. but streetfights are rarely one-on-one situations.

I have a part time job as a doorman at the moment and must say that there are some good Aikido moves that involve wrist or joint locking that I've learnt that work when I need people to move or need to control someone.

thanks for your reply ronin and maybe i was a bit harsh on the "arts" however i still maintain that the main reason theyre good for is to physically train your body to be fitter and so maybe perform better, however not to provide any specific skill once actually fighting.

the thing is anybody can throw a punch you dont need martial arts to teach you that, maybe train you so that you can throw harder and better but so will other exercise.

Iv watched the vids posted - none of them represent an actual street brawl theyre done on stages with padding and guards and more importantly with rules or there fighting really slow as in th case of the rusian vid. More over when youv got 2 guys with thesame martial arts expertise both trained the same both trained to think in the enviroment of their art well you can see them pausng and hesitating while trying to "outsmart or counter" teir opponents move - real street fighting isnt like this at all.

I knwo a martial artist who on the DAY of his wedding! got into a fight with another guy who was smaller than him the little guy jumped on him and bit off the front lower part of his face - he was truly fucked up - he has tp have plastic surgery every 8- 9 months now and guess what he doesnt go to the gym anymore.

[godwine]

Originally Posted by pumpum

thanks for your reply ronin and maybe i was a bit harsh on the "arts" however i still maintain that the main reason theyre good for is to physically train your body to be fitter and so maybe perform better, however not to provide any specific skill once actually fighting.

the thing is anybody can throw a punch you dont need martial arts to teach you that, maybe train you so that you can throw harder and better but so will other exercise.

Iv watched the vids posted - none of them represent an actual street brawl theyre done on stages with padding and guards and more importantly with rules or there fighting really slow as in th case of the rusian vid. More over when youv got 2 guys with thesame martial arts expertise both trained the same both trained to think in the enviroment of their art well you can see them pausng and hesitating while trying to "outsmart or counter" teir opponents move - real street fighting isnt like this at all.

I knwo a martial artist who on the DAY of his wedding! got into a fight with another guy who was smaller than him the little guy jumped on him and bit off the front lower part of his face - he was truly fucked up - he has tp have plastic surgery every 8- 9 months now and guess what he doesnt go to the gym anymore.

Street fight has no rules... a properly train martial artist are trained to be prepared for all kind of situation and attack. Your example of a punch, sure, anyone can throw a punch, but how many knows how to do it properly? And how many know how to hold their fist properly? As ronin said, the training doesn't make you invincible, but having the additional knowledge and be able to apply it is different... people who train in the art and is too comfy sparring in the partner is totally different from someone who train to handle street situation specifically.... In my dojo, we have multiple type of training: Traditional and Sport. Traditional training is very very different, we emphasize on real street situation... anything is allowed, the "below belt" rule does not exist

[pumpum]

Originally Posted by godwine

Street fight has no rules... a properly train martial artist are trained to be prepared for all kind of situation and attack. Your example of a punch, sure, anyone can throw a punch, but how many knows how to do it properly? And how many know how to hold their fist properly? As ronin said, the training doesn't make you invincible, but having the additional knowledge and be able to apply it is different... people who train in the art and is too comfy sparring in the partner is totally different from someone who train to handle street situation specifically.... In my dojo, we have multiple type of training: Traditional and Sport. Traditional training is very very different, we emphasize on real street situation... anything is allowed, the "below belt" rule does not exist

in that case wouldnt boxing be fine - what extra would you gain from martial arts as opposed to normal boxing or kickboxing?

[godwine]

Originally Posted by pumpum

in that case wouldnt boxing be fine - what extra would you gain from martial arts as opposed to normal boxing or kickboxing?

Nothing. Martial Arts = Fighting Arts. Boxing and Kickboxing is one of them. Each art has its highlights, pros and cons.... I wasn't debating whether any robed/belted art is better than others or boxing/kickboxing. I am just saying that being trained is better than not being trained, and definitely have a better chance at facing something on the street. A well trained street fighter is a different story

[termogard]

Originally Posted by pumpum

Iv watched the vids posted - none of them represent an actual street brawl theyre done on stages with padding and guards and more importantly with rules or there fighting really slow as in th case of the rusian vid. More over when youv got 2 guys with thesame martial arts expertise both trained the same both trained to think in the enviroment of their art well you can see them pausng and hesitating while trying to "outsmart or counter" teir opponents move - real street fighting isnt like this at all

[Sigh]"Slow video" represents just a training of blocks and kicks. This is not a kumite. In real "street" situation a skilled fighter from a unit of a special force may easily kill his opponent by a front kick in abdomen. Fighter's leg in a heavy army boot is a very serious thing.
Speaking for myself. Usually I try to avoid any possible conflict situations. But real life gives various "surprises". I hate to brag but learning and training of applied karate saved me in street fights at least two times. One or two good sudden fast hand strikes into nose, eyes, ears or throat of your opponent, one or two good sudden strong low-kicks on knee or abdomen.

Originally Posted by pumpum

I knwo a martial artist who on the DAY of his wedding! got into a fight with another guy who was smaller than him the little guy jumped on him and bit off the front lower part of his face - he was truly fucked up - he has tp have plastic surgery every 8- 9 months now and guess what he doesnt go to the gym anymore.

Perhaps, that "martial artist" knew nothing more than monkey screams and strange, overcomplicated movements from chinese kung-fu movies.

Here is a video about a guy, skilled in boxing versus two street scums. He defended his girlfriend very well.

YouTube - Боксер

[termogard]

Originally Posted by godwine

I am just saying that being trained is better than not being trained, and definitely have a better chance at facing something on the street.

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