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02-17-2011, 05:26 AM
Realjames. No..many people aren't united in the word. I would say that there are those who would fight on sight because they are diametrically apposed to each other. Diversity is not, nor can never be "Unity", it automatically divides people and points out how they are different from each other.
I'm White, person B is Black and person C is Hispanic. Now, we will be repeatedly told how I'm White, Mr. B is Black, and person C is Hispanic. We will allways be White ,Black and Hispanic, we will never be the same in anything because mr. B will allways be "African this and African that, while the Hispanic will allways be Hispanic this and Hispanic that..We will never be able to be just "Americans". Ronin: That she had to be rescued at all, dureing a "celebration" doesn't bode well. I would point out that when they were rapeing her the crowd was constantly screaming "Jew Jew". Oh yea, they were also chanting death to Isreal and death to America. Strange why the regular media doesn't report that tidbit. Culture may not be defineable as either good or bad, but some are certainly better than others. I might agree that multiculturalism is the idea of colloge professors who have no idea how real life works because they live in a secluded village all thier life. In that perhaps it's "secular". You still can't have a culture that tries to cator to every culture, you must have a central culture that is used as the framework. Americans are many nations and races but ONE culture. That's the true melting pot. I'm not Irish, German or English, I'm American, period. 
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02-17-2011, 07:13 AM
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Really? Take a walk through Mogadishu, Somalia, or Port au Prince, Haiti, (I have been to both places). And then, after visiting these places, tell me if you still carry the same opinion. Tell me that the culture of these places is equal to the culture you enjoy in New Zealand. I have met many spoiled ideological young people who grow up in pampered western societies, and are educated in the "Never-never land" of university who develop fantastic opinions of the world without ever having seen it. The better of these people do the noble thing and join the Peace Corps, or go to work for Doctors Without Borders to spend a year or two pitting their money where their mouths are. Most of them return with a much different opinion than that which they set out with. Words are nothing but empty air, and ideals are nothing but empty thoughts when compared to the physical reality of the world we live in. Human beings are animals; territorial and competitive. A better culture suppresses it's animal instincts, and promotes a safer society in which all may enjoy an equal chance of success. The developed societies of the world all share a similar culture, and this culture has made them more or less safe and prosperous. The rest of the world where the "law of the jungle" is stronger are less safe and prosperous, made up of a few "haves", and many "have nots". The cultures of the developed nations are fairly new, and they are more fragile than you might think. Look at the inner-cities, barrios, and "ghettos" of America and Europe. Take a walk through them (if you dare), they are often a mirror image in culture and appearance of the lands where their inhabitants originated.
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02-17-2011, 09:57 AM
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Just who do you think you are? You apparently don't know too much about politics and sociology but you're way too arrogant to accept your point of view is just blurred by ignorant prejudgments. -------- I think, even without naming any cultures this paragraph is just simply racist. You compare actual human beings to animals. Again, just who do you think you are?!!! -------- Ronin4shire maybe a spoiled kid but it doesn't necessarily mean he knows less about these things than you do. I mean your European examples are way too superficials. Did you know for example that Sarkozy is a first generation French, a son of a Hungarian emigrant Sárközy Pál? Who'd hardly doom immigration, as I see. And in this context(about all the immigrants) that quote from him was just ridiculous. What the European leaders have stated wasn't really about immigration, not by words nor by means. If it was, than Sarkozy would have been in real trouble afterwards... It's maybe right to say: when Germany, France, England etc. let(in some cases invited) a mass amount of people to Europe, from countries which cultures were basically unknown here, and than let them live(sometimes make them live) separately with their families and friends from their previous homes - than they made a mistake. But it's not always that black and white like you painted it was. Statistics have no eye no hart and no brain - there are rarely surveys about multiple aspects of peoples, basically because it'd be more than difficult to judge things like that and eventually it would give the result: every people is unique. So you have the results which you provided: immigrants=criminals, because they came from poor countries where the government is corrupt and everybody is so violent - it's just not true. How the new society treats them, what kind of education they can get, which positions can they fill in, how are their children treated from the very early ages, do they have equal rights? can they feel protected and accepted in their new land? do they have difficulties with the language? and so on... These are rarely the best set things in any society. And sometimes governments become so desperate to solve something they just simply ignored for too long, they even risk their own people's rights, just like in Sweden or in France...(example: French headscarf ban) There were and always will be people who prefer to live differently(for ex.: Orthodox Jewish communities), so I think we just have to accept them, they just have to accept us... and maybe set one thing which seems to work wonders in America - you must LOVE your country, it'd unite the people's life and in such a wonderful way. What you want is so far from freedom!!! You need to think about those who want to live differently, and don't say things like cultures aren't equal because of their virtuosity or something. I have to tell you (without wanting to be anti-American) that Americanization is a real problem here in Europe, we face the c*up that comes from there and do not like it. I mean it's really vigorous but NOT virtuous, it squeezes the life out of our own traditions and culture - cause it's so loud and vivid. I mean your culture have really good aspects but you shouldn't think it's all-mighty. I'm not against it, just don't bring it to the whole world saying it's all what people needed. ----------- And please next time you make a post about millions of peoples just think it trough first. Your posts are offending for everyone cause you don't name any actual culture or religion or race, but than if you did you'd have been warned or banned for it...
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02-18-2011, 03:08 AM
Actually, according to Science, we are animals. We have higher brain function compared to most..aside from perhaps dolphins and whales, but still animals nevertheless. Religion is where you get the idea that perhaps mankind is higher than a "meer animal".
Wow, so the guy was part Hungarian...also a European country last time I checked. He wasn't blameing all immigrants for violence world wide, he meerly pointed out that a large number of immigrants come from locations where violence is considered the first option, second option and third option. Now you can say these nations are like that for any number of reasons. Doesn't matter so much as the fact they ARE like that. While it's true that various area's in the US are violent, over all the culture is not. That isn't the case in other countries. Eygpt for instance, 94% of women have been molested or hassled and over 60% of men admit to hassleing/molesting women. The US has that here too, but we try to controle it via laws. Eygpt, and the Middle east in genral, "controles" it by controleing the women. I can't say that's a better way to do things, I personally don't think it is, but what the hell, it works for them I guess. However, if they want to immigrate to the US they can't controle women like that, because women in the US are protected by law. It's why that father who killed his two daughters because he thought they were becomeing too "Americanized" is in jail for life. He only followed what his "culture" dictated he do, even now he claims he did nothing wrong, that killing them was his holy duty.
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02-18-2011, 04:43 AM
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Take Sangetsu's idea that Arabs beat their wives. While there might be a problem in Middle Eastern society regarding law. The idea that beating your wife is a cornerstone of Arab culture is just insulting. It's why I found it interesting you complaining about "America bashing" when people were only doing the same, except with regard to the lack of knowledge of geography. A lack of knowledge of geography is hardly the cornerstone of American culture by the same measure.
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02-18-2011, 05:08 AM
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So societies can be advanced and primitive, but cultures cannot be, if I am reading you correctly. I am curious how this is "racist" as culture is not necessarily defined by race, and vice-versa. I would say there are many more cultures in South America than there are races. There are many more cultures in Europe than there are races. There are many more cultures even in Japan than there are races. It is interesting that a search for "advanced culture" on wikipedia leads to "civilization". Civilization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia So from birth a culture is on an equal plane from every other culture, no matter how old? When someone calls someone else "uncivilized" are they really being racist?
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