Big earthquake in Japan

[fluffy0000]

Originally Posted by Sangetsu

Even if there were a full, Chernobyl-style meltdown, Tokyo would not be substantially affected, nor would anyone outside Japan. Yet the news hype is so great that people in America are buying potassium iodide pills, which would only be necessary in the worst-case scenario and you were within 12 miles of the plant. If these idiots are dumb enough to start taking iodine undirected, they are likely to develop thyroid problems more serious than if they had been exposed to radiation.

Dude, that's your quote not mine.
Take a deep breath and get off your soap box.

look at your quote above that lists the Chernobyl design from 1942'?
The Soviet Union built it's first nuclear reactor in 1946'.

Now take a chill pill.
And actually read your own post.
You posted 'the Chernobyl style meltdown' not me get a grip.

(IAEA) International Atomic Energy Agency and World Health Organization (WHO) has already gone on record with the 2005' Chernoybl Forum Report
regarding the expected death toll from the 1986' Chernobyl accident will be additional 4,000 deaths related to cancer besides the 56 direct deaths.

Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment, authored by Dr. Alexey Yablokov, Dr. Vassily Nesterenko and Dr. Alexey Nesterenko
Again. nothing to do with your 'chernobyl style meltdown fantasy' - this book was published in 2010 by New York Academy of Sciences
Is about the health consequences concerning radiation fallout.

[GoNative]

Originally Posted by fluffy0000

Tell the designers of the Mark 1 that they were overreacting, dude.

Fukushima: Mark 1 Nuclear Reactor Design Caused GE Scientist To Quit In Protest
ABC News the blotter
Damaged Japanese Nuclear Plant Has Five Mark 1 Reactors
By MATTHEW MOSK
March 15, 2011 excerpt: article

Thirty-five years ago, Dale G. Bridenbaugh and two of his colleagues at General Electric resigned from their jobs after becoming increasingly convinced that the nuclear reactor design they were reviewing -- the Mark 1 -- was so flawed it could lead to a devastating accident.
Questions persisted for decades about the ability of the Mark 1 to handle the immense pressures that would result if the reactor lost cooling power, and today that design is being put to the ultimate test in Japan. Five of the six reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi plant, which has been wracked since Friday's earthquake with explosions and radiation leaks, are Mark 1s.

"The problems we identified in 1975 were that, in doing the design of the containment, they did not take into account the dynamic loads that could be experienced with a loss of coolant,"

So what has that got to do with the idiots in the US buying up iodine? Nothing whatsoever. Last I heard no reactors in the US regardless of their design had experienced a loss of their coolant systems. As usual though we see the US desire to find someone or something to blame. There's got to be someone hasn't there so a class action can be organised? Gladly I doubt you'll see anything like that here in Japan.

[termogard]

Originally Posted by Sangetsu

The Chernobyl reactor was a 1942 Soviet design, the Fukushima plant was an American, 1960's design.

In 1942 Soviet gained all possible sources to fight Nazis on Eastern front. They had no time and scientists to build reactors.
The first block of Chernobyl Nuclear Power station was built in 1977.

Wiki

Check you historical sources better before posting

Originally Posted by Sangetsu

Stop making far-reaching comparisons between incomparable situations. There is no way one can compare Chernobyl to Fukushima, they are apples and oranges.

They are nuclear reactors, working upon same physical principles, not apples or oranges.

Originally Posted by Sangetsu

The Chernobyl reactor did not have a containment system, the Fukushima plant does. The Chernobyl reactor was operating at 100% capacity at the moment it failed, the Fukushima reactor was operating at 3%.

The mentioned meltdown also can occur inside a containment system. And molten nuclear fuel may produce various amounts of radioactive vapor.

[GoNative]

termogard there never was and there never is any chance of an explosion of the magnitude of Chernobyl at Fukushima. They are not anywhere near the same order of magnitude in terms of the amount of radioactive material released and the height it is reaching into the atmosphere. They are not in anyway on the same scale. End of story. Let's move on.

[fluffy0000]

Originally Posted by GoNative

So what has that got to do with the idiots in the US buying up iodine? Nothing whatsoever. Last I heard no reactors in the US regardless of their design had experienced a loss of their coolant systems. As usual though we see the US desire to find someone or something to blame. There's got to be someone hasn't there so a class action can be organised? Gladly I doubt you'll see anything like that here in Japan.

Again your ability to read minds is amazing.
Whatever you last heard is probably best kept secret.

Since 1957' The US Nuclear Industry has been protected by The Price-Anderson Nuclear Industries Indemnity Act which partially indemnify the nuclear industry against liability claims arising from nuclear incidents.

A cursory list of US nuclear accidents involving loss of reactor coolant is below.

You might have forgotten The Three Mile Island accident was a partial core meltdown in Unit 2 in 1979. A series of mechanical failures compounded by the initial failure of plant operators to recognize the situation as a loss-of-coolant accident.

February 11, 1981
Eight workers are contaminated when more than 100,000 gallons of radioactive coolant fluid leaks into the contaminant building of the Tennessee Valley Authority's Sequoyah 1 plant in Tennessee.

October 5, 1966
The core of an experimental reactor near Detroit, Mich., melted partially when a sodium cooling system failed.

In other catagories listed as nuclear mishaps

.....US had 'near-miss' nuke mishaps at Indian Point, 13 other plants
By ANI – Fri, Mar 18, 2011
New York, Mar. 18 (ANI):
Federal inspectors found "near-miss" accidents at Indian Point on the Hudson and 13 other U.S. nuclear power plants last year.
A report by the Union of Concerned Scientists, based on Nuclear Regulatory Commission data, claimed that "many of these significant events occurred because reactor owners, and often the NRC, tolerated known safety problems."

According to the New York Daily News, in the inspection of Indian Point about 25 miles from New York City, NRC auditors found that "the liner of a refueling cavity at Unit 2 has been leaking since at least 1993."

[GoNative]

Still what has any of that got to do with idiots in the US buying iodine tablets currently? Yet again absolutely nothing! I get it, you are one of the idiots who have rushed out and bought some tablets aren't you? And you're now sitting at home under your tin foil hat!

[fluffy0000]

nope.
..,actually I'm surfing in Punta Perfecta, Mexico
Punta perfecta has a very powerful right reef point break.

Dude, sounds like you need vacation.

Take a break and catch a plane to San Diego, drive south from Vinorama or catch the 6-8 hr bus ride. You can barely see it from the road and you can sleep for free on the beach.

[Sangetsu]

Originally Posted by termogard

In 1942 Soviet gained all possible sources to fight Nazis on Eastern front. They had no time and scientists to build reactors.
The first block of Chernobyl Nuclear Power station was built in 1977.

Wiki

Check you historical sources better before posting



They are nuclear reactors, working upon same physical principles, not apples or oranges.



The mentioned meltdown also can occur inside a containment system. And molten nuclear fuel may produce various amounts of radioactive vapor.

Chernobyl was not built in 1942, the design of the reactor dates to 1942, The biggest factors differentiating Chernobyl and Fukushima are the running capacity at failure, and the fact that Chernobyl didn't have a containment system. These two very simple facts make a world of difference between the two, don't they?

Chernobyl cannot be used in comparison to Fukushima because they are unalike in every aspect, the only way in which they are similar is that they are nuclear reactors.

As of today, radiation levels are still below that considered "dangerous", and have shown on increase over the past couple of days.

[GoNative]

Originally Posted by fluffy0000

nope.
..,actually I'm surfing in Punta Perfecta, Mexico
Punta perfecta has a very powerful right reef point break.

Dude, sounds like you need vacation.

Take a break and catch a plane to San Diego, drive south from Vinorama or catch the 6-8 hr bus ride. You can barely see it from the road and you can sleep for free on the beach.

What I would prefer is for people far removed from the situation here stop acting as though they are all speacialists in nuclear emergencies and making judgements about the Japanese authorities and people and their response to the crisis here. And I wish the western media would tone it down a little so that we don't see such ridiculous overreactions like Americans buying up iodine pills.
And I'm not going anywhere. The skiing here is still awesome with hardly anyone here at the moment I've got the mountain almost to myself! No interest in surf whilst the snow is still good!!

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by GoNative

What I would prefer is for people far removed from the situation here stop acting as though they are all speacialists in nuclear emergencies and making judgements about the Japanese authorities and people and their response to the crisis here. And I wish the western media would tone it down a little so that we don't see such ridiculous overreactions like Americans buying up iodine pills.
And I'm not going anywhere. The skiing here is still awesome with hardly anyone here at the moment I've got the mountain almost to myself! No interest in surf whilst the snow is still good!!

I think you are definitely right to be critical of some of the Western media. But not all of it. Some networks are getting it right.. interviewing nuclear scientists etc.

Furthermore, it's not like the Americans, the Russians, the French etc don't know what they're talking about.