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[bluejeanslady]

Originally Posted by GoNative

The protest in Germany was against the nuclear industry in Germany. It's starting to make sense now though isn't it? You have an extremely strong anti-nuclear lobby in Germany who are using the disaster in Japan for their own political ends. They are blowing the Japan event all out of proportion to further their own aims. I was wondering why Germany seemed to be getting such unbalanced information. Now it makes sense.

yes of course the things which in fukushima happened are changing here in germany the complete political direction today and this will go on - i think in future we will have a red-green governement ... thanks god we are able to learn very quick from the mistakes which are done ...even the romans didnt get the germans we are super people in that country .. and over this 8 old atom reactors are switched off the last week ... thats the best decision, but it will cost 10 years to get them really off now and cost 1,5 billion euro for each one ... so we make in this country the best decision we can do : get out of this horror and go to a green harmless energy complete ... only this is the right decision ...

over this i hope that the people in the 30 km zone are really not radiated .. but in next time we will hear about that ... in next time we will hear about the hole truth and i think you have to change your opinion complete ... wait and see ...

at moment the disaster is going on and it will stay the next 15 years our all problem worldwide ... you will see ... thats what the specialist worldwide say now ...

i donnot know where you get your information, we have other information here in our country ... and we are not hysteric but we are very critically .. and this is very good ...

and over this, today they excused that they have given wrong information and wrong measure results .. i donnot believe that those people can manage a burger shop than an atomic parc and solve such a problem ... they are completely unable and they have to give the job to people who are able ... and this is the problem, they are the wrong people to save the situation there ...

Originally Posted by tenmins

I heard that in Germany solar panels are highly encouraged with very good rebates and a great rate of payment for people who generate excess power and pump it back into the grid.
If every building had solar panels on the roof, would that be enough to power the whole country? Probably would in summer, but how would they go in winter?

it is always the same, if you power an industry with input they will get high and good results .. up to now the green energy here is growing consequente but it was not pushed ... now our political situation is changing and therefore it will be pushed .. i am very glad to live in a country who learns about mistakes and try to make it better in future .. it is a first step in the right direction ... and we all hope that the others around us will do the same decision ... a green europe would be a good way, but if this will happen we must see ... maybe we can make that proof that it will work and if the others see that, they make it similar .. but this is a long way of course ... the first step is very important ... you can ignore the danger of nuclear of course and everything is o.k., but you see, if there is an accident, then it is a really big and long-lasting problem ... and that the energy price is low with nuclear energy is a lie, the price for energy is growing up every year ... therefore, lets try with green energy ... why not ... its not dangerous ... and we have possibilities, not only solar, we have a lot of water and wind and other possibilities ... here in our country we have a lot of projects which work very good ... to bring the hole country to green energy will need a few years but it is possible ... if you donnot try sth. you will never bring it to work ...

Originally Posted by GoNative

The protest in Germany was against the nuclear industry in Germany. It's starting to make sense now though isn't it? You have an extremely strong anti-nuclear lobby in Germany who are using the disaster in Japan for their own political ends. They are blowing the Japan event all out of proportion to further their own aims. I was wondering why Germany seemed to be getting such unbalanced information. Now it makes sense.

we are not using anything ... the nuclear catatrophy in fukushima is a fact !!!! ... and its a really big reason to think about ... at it is normal to learn from mistakes ... normally people do that ... therefore i see that you have a problem to accept .. do you mean the germans are mad ? who you are ? ... we are learnable, thats all .. the discussion of the danger of nuclear energy is since chernobyl in germany .. now the second bad accident is happening .. that is more than one reason to think about ... and its really a good decision to change that energy politic now ... we donnot want such a nuclear accident here ... thats all .. its the decision of 80% of our population here and we are a democratic system .. so the people decide ... in our country it is that way ... .. its your decision if you ignore those, you can do what you like to do ... we say NO to such a danger in our country .. its the first time since 30 years i am really proud of that to live in germany ...

by the way: do you not realise that it makes no sense to discuss with s.o. like me, who is complete against atom energy and nuclear experiments ... this doesnt make any sense ... you have no arguments which would change my mind ... for me you are from another planet with your opinion ... i am complete green in my mind ... good healty food and a better world without that risks ... i donnot need energy, i can sit the half day with a candle, that is no problem for me, why not ...

Originally Posted by Nyororin

Direct and personal insults after being warned about it, for one. I gave the final warning on that - bluejeanslady has refrained from direct and personal attacks.

(Another user did not, and get a short time out)

Simply posting something that most everyone here does not agree with is not, alone, enough to get her banned. She doesn`t appear to be trolling, and the insults she has tossed out have been in response to pretty direct insults in her direction.

i only speak about the topic and if s.b. has another opinion i have no problem with .. but if sb attacks me i attacked backat the beginnnig, now i have stopped to do that ...and everything is o.k. ... i realised that here are some men who are pro nuclear - i am against .. two meanings .. but they should to attack me .. you see, they continue that behavior ... thats poor ...

Originally Posted by bluejeanslady

i only speak about the topic and if s.b. has another opinion i have no problem with .. but if sb attacks me i attacked backat the beginnnig, now i have stopped to do that ...and everything is o.k. ... i realised that here are some men who are pro nuclear - i am against .. two meanings .. but they should to attack me .. you see, they continue that behavior ... thats poor ...

..should stop to attack me ... (thats what i meant of course )

Originally Posted by GoNative

Words are easy when you are a nobody on the internet. Words are not so easy when you are the Chief Scientific Advisor for the UK and are advising ex-pats living in Tokyo about the situation. In such a role your words carry a lot of responsibility and would be carefully chosen based on the best scientific advice available. When will you finally realise that the sources of information you are using are totally and completely innacurate??

of course its your decision to believe in that people - i donnot do this .. this is my decision ... what is your problem ? ... you make your thing and i make my thing ... we are a free world ...

[bluejeanslady]

Originally Posted by RealJames

No such thing has occurred.
Your sources are unreliable, lies, or non-existent.
The only thing you've said which might be factual is that such nonsense is being reported in germany.
You are propagating false rumors and gossip.
You are rude and insulting even to the very victims of this catastrophe.
Get some perspective of yourself and what you are doing, check your facts.
A person with such a loud mouth as yours and so much passion for informing others could do much good if just a little more effort went into finding the truth.

it doesnt make any sense to attack me here ... stop this please or i tell this to the administrator ...

and i say it loud and you will not disturb that here : nuclear energy is dangerous ... and leave that 30km if you can ... in meantime the people there and the specialists say the same .. so i was right from the beginning on ... wait and see

Originally Posted by TrainOfThought

I know, I know. I doubt she'll even consider listening to what I said at all. Either that, or maybe she'll actually look for more info, but only take in info from anti-nuclear power websites who are spreading the same kind of disinformation as German media.
Oh well, at least we tried, right?

i believe in the information we get here in germany because they are always good in any case, not even fukushima ... we have good and complete news here ... maybe the other countries have others ... but it depends how they see the nuclear industry ... in germany the trend for green energy is long lasting and for that they bring all the facts in the news ... its better to be more critically than to be too much soft ... therefore our news are o.k. ... and the news of fukushima are really going more bad every day now ... there are people from greenpeace measuring there, thats internation, do you believe this people are lying too ? and do you think the americans are lying ? ... they told at first that 20-30 km is not far enough ... what is the problem to evacuate the people there to a better zone ... why do they get this high risk ? ... think about the poor people to sit there with this fear ... without food, water, heat and fear of radiation .. thats more than cruel ... i aks myself, what is going wrong there ? ...

Originally Posted by steel

Has anyone read this?

Marketing Japan: How the Tokyo Panic Started Amongst US Citizens Despite the Evidence

hello, sorry i have now time to answer you ... but my english is not so good to understand all .. what is your intention ? please lets talk about ...

today the politic here in germany changes and its a first step into green future .. that is really a great news ... hope this will continue, because we have only this one world to live ... chernobyl and fukushima are two reasons to overthink that ... and it last for the next 10-15 years to solve the problems there in fukushima ... thats a fact too ...

the green energy politic is growing here over 10 - 15 years ... and a lot of house owners made the proof that they produce more energy that they need and feed it into the energy net ... of course it must be more and more devoloped to feed industries, but it is possible .. if you have made a decision you will always find ways to go that way ... hope we stay on this decision to go into a green future .. if we made the proof we hope other countries will follow ... one must make the first step ... we have done .. and fukushima was a warning for the hole kind ... we have understood ... its a warning for us all to think about and to change our way ...

[GoNative]

Originally Posted by bluejeanslady

of course its your decision to believe in that people - i donnot do this .. this is my decision ... what is your problem ? ... you make your thing and i make my thing ... we are a free world ...

We are all free to have opinions yes. But this isn't just about opinions it's about facts, what is actually happening as opposed to the scenario you try and create. The Chief Scientific Advisor to the UK isn't just anyone. His advice is there for the UK citizens living in Tokyo (a city well within the range you have called for a total evacuation). His advice is after consultation with experts in the field. If his advice is wrong it could have huge political and financial implications for the UK government so he doesn't give that advice without serious consideration of the facts. So although it's fine to have an opinion that nuclear energy is bad it is not fine to just completely dismiss the advice of such a person. In fact it borders on the ridiculous. People here have an issue with you because you completely ignore anything that doesn't suit the scenario you are trying to convince people of. A scenario that is not based on truth.

[bluejeanslady]

Originally Posted by steel

..continued.

o.k. i understood the half of this now ... i donnot think that the americans will make a panic in japan, they only give order to their us citizen there and this is always correct .. over this there was no panic in japan or tokyo our news told us, we wonder that the people stay there so quiet and friendly and normal ... (you must imagine if s.th. like this here in germany happens, that is a panic you have never seen before ) .. i think the japanese have the problem not the americans, hiroshima and nagasaki are old stories ... today there is fukushima and i really think the americans can help if the japanese use this help, and this was the problem ... if there is sb. who gives you a hand to help you should use that ... and forget the old stories, if you start with that, you have problems worldwide, thats really silly ... at moment the japanese should take any help they can get and it is a big mistake not to do this ... so, if the americans can help, take the help ... you should have done this at first ... help is always a good decision ... unbelieveable : what is this for a question ...

Originally Posted by GoNative

We are all free to have opinions yes. But this isn't just about opinions it's about facts, what is actually happening as opposed to the scenario you try and create. The Chief Scientific Advisor to the UK isn't just anyone. His advice is there for the UK citizens living in Tokyo (a city well within the range you have called for a total evacuation). His advice is after consultation with experts in the field. If his advice is wrong it could have huge political and financial implications for the UK government so he doesn't give that advice without serious consideration of the facts. So although it's fine to have an opinion that nuclear energy is bad it is not fine to just completely dismiss the advice of such a person. In fact it borders on the ridiculous. People here have an issue with you because you completely ignore anything that doesn't suit the scenario you are trying to convince people of. A scenario that is not based on truth.

of course there are different opinions, thats normal, because everybody has other information and other own experiences and another intention ... thats ok ... but i have a complete opposite opinion about that topic than you ... and today we have here the same information in our news like the last day : it is going worse and worser there in fukushima ... this is a fact ... radiation is going on out of control ... i donnot make this news ... aks the people they do the news ... the people of greenpeace (and the americans) are measuring there and show the results into the camera. ... and the people of tepcon say it by themselfe in the camera that they have great problems to get the situation under control and they donnot know if this is possible, they try all to save but you should not be very optimistically .. so what ? thats all facts ...

i really ask me, what is going on in you ? did you not see this on your tv ?

[RealJames]

hopeless, just hopeless ...
I've got to stop getting sucked into this lost cause!

[bluejeanslady]

.. and i really wonder, that the management of fukushima 1 gives in such a problematic situation wrong measure results of radiation out ... that shows me that this people are really confused ... i donnot panic people, they do this by themselfe .. i really wonder about that such a misakte this can happen : wrong results opening ... thats making panic ... the reason is clear: they are confused about their own lying ... they should start to tell the truth ... in such a dangerous situation the people have a right to get the complete truth .. this is the only clear way ...

[samokan]

Originally Posted by RealJames

hopeless, just hopeless ...
I've got to stop getting sucked into this lost cause!

I did that after reading the first few post No point in arguing.
I am supposed to be the one in Tokyo, so I guess I know the current state of the city rather than those who is not here

[bluejeanslady]

Originally Posted by RealJames

hopeless, just hopeless ...
I've got to stop getting sucked into this lost cause!

yes, i agree fist time with you, you are right - you are a really hopeless one .. but you will be older some day and will wonder about yourself ... you are young, you can learn ...

Originally Posted by samokan

I did that after reading the first few post No point in arguing.
I am supposed to be the one in Tokyo, so I guess I know the current state of the city rather than those who is not here

hello, you are really in tokyo at the moment ? ... hope you are well and you overcome the bad situation ... we only get bad news here in germany about fukushima at moment ... and we feel with you, earth quake, tsunami, vulcano, and now fear of radiation .. thats really hard ... if it would be a hollywod film we would never believe that, but its real ... so, we are all with you .. in germany this made a complete poltical change at moment ... and a step in direction green energy politic ...

but you japanese are really a disciplinated and strong people ... here in germany people would be hysterically and out of control in that case ... believe me, we wonder about your reaction ...

Originally Posted by RealJames

hopeless, just hopeless ...
I've got to stop getting sucked into this lost cause!

.. you have easy to talk, in kobe you are save of course ... but do one thing, show me that you are a strong man : travel to fukushima and give me the proof that you are there ... thats a good idea ...

[samokan]

Originally Posted by bluejeanslady

hello, you are really in tokyo at the moment ? ... hope you are well and you overcome the bad situation ... we only get bad news here in germany about fukushima at moment ... and we feel with you, earth quake, tsunami, vulcano, and now fear of radiation .. thats really hard ... if it would be a hollywod film we would never believe that, but its real ... so, we are all with you .. in germany this made a complete poltical change at moment ... and a step in direction green energy politic ...

but you japanese are really a disciplinated and strong people ... here in germany people would be hysterically and out of control in that case ... believe me, we wonder about your reaction ...

Yes I am in Tokyo, I was here when that earthquake hit Japan and felt all the aftershocks. But still life in Tokyo continues. The only time I was absent from work was when the train in my area stopped for the day because of possible blackout but after that , TEPCO scheduled each area so work was back to normal.

Yes that is why I don't read the foreign news because some are exaggerated and even I get scared reading it. The stores in Tokyo closes early lately to conserve energy but other than that, life in Tokyo is OK.

[bluejeanslady]

Originally Posted by samokan

Yes I am in Tokyo, I was here when that earthquake hit Japan and felt all the aftershocks. But still life in Tokyo continues. The only time I was absent from work was when the train in my area stopped for the day because of possible blackout but after that , TEPCO scheduled each area so work was back to normal.

Yes that is why I don't read the foreign news because some are exaggerated and even I get scared reading it. The stores in Tokyo closes early lately to conserve energy but other than that, life in Tokyo is OK.

well. this is your decision .. but even the people of fukushima 1 tells now, that they donnot know if they can save this and they are not very optimistically .. therefore maybe you should be better informed about international news at moment ... you are only 250 km far away and if the wind changes again ?! ... of course your home, life, job is in tokyo .. but i by myself would be in holiday for a while and no job would be such important for me to stay ... and i would not return before the situation is clear ... its not a question of panic but a question of clear decison .. noone else can make this for you ... so, hope you make the right decision for yourself ... the only thing i can say: nothing is so important to take such a risk for the own health and life ...
we have had a similar situation here with the accident of chernobyl 25 years ago ... but we was been 900 km far away, and this distance was save because the wind was good for us, the south of germany and the scandinavians had the problems ... but we have had a fear over years of course ...

Originally Posted by samokan

Yes I am in Tokyo, I was here when that earthquake hit Japan and felt all the aftershocks. But still life in Tokyo continues. The only time I was absent from work was when the train in my area stopped for the day because of possible blackout but after that , TEPCO scheduled each area so work was back to normal.

Yes that is why I don't read the foreign news because some are exaggerated and even I get scared reading it. The stores in Tokyo closes early lately to conserve energy but other than that, life in Tokyo is OK.

..and the people of tepco made this disaster and they tells that they have had mistakes there in fukushima 1 over years in control and service .. so, do you believe them futhermore ?! ... you look better to the results of greenpeace or the americans who measure the radiation too ... so you can see the truth ...