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Why don't you instead of sounding like a parrot? I don't think there is much point discussing anything with you as you clearly have only one set of rationals: YOUR OWN! You clearly have not considered the economic effects and from what I can see have no ability whatsoever in understanding the economics of a country. You remind me of the rural environment that grew up in; people there live in 'cocoons' too.
Blah blah blah... you're all bark and no bite.
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03-20-2011, 06:05 PM

Technically, everyone one here is all bark and No bite Ronin, it's why we are on here.
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Technically, everyone one here is all bark and No bite Ronin, it's why we are on here.
What I meant is his posts have no substance.

It can be paraphrased into "I'm right you're wrong"
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"I'm right and your wrong", caused every major war in history.
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"I'm right and your wrong", caused every major war in history.
Yup! That sums up this whole thread nicely.

Ronin4Hire, no one ever said you HAVE to. So don't. I think that's what everyone's essentially getting down to. Don't. You don't have to. No one is telling you you have to. So don't. People have certainly said we all should. But just like you, other people get to decide for themselves. So if you get annoyed thinking you're being told to "give" then understand when people are annoyed that you told them "don't give".

If you consider Japan well off, I certainly understand. But if people consider this a severe emergency situation, that I understand as well.

And the US is pretty rich, but if I get hit by severe flooding or hurricane, I'll still need help. My government situation usually isn't mine. I did GREAT during the Clinton era when our government ran out of money and froze pay. So I tend to lean in the direction of "give to the Red Cross, and they'll use it where it IS needed, wherever in the world that is for now." The Red Cross doesn't just cover Japan.....and frankly, the money used in any current disaster is the money the charity raised 6 months ago.....the money you send now will help the NEXT emergency, wherever that is.....maybe you'll get lucky at it'll be Haiti and you'll feel like then it's OK to help a few folks out, because their lives suck so much and so regularly that you can feel really REALLY good about skipping that big lunch out or new toy purchase. Or whatever it is that makes it really worth it to you to help major worldwide charities.
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03-21-2011, 02:39 AM

At this stage I'm just defending my point.

Good for you if you are kind enough to give to people in a disaster.

I'm just saying, donating money to Japan is charity misplaced.

I will not give to the USA or any other developed country in a disaster either.
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youre right - 03-21-2011, 07:01 AM

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Japan is the world's third richest country. I don't mean to sound heartless because I'm sorry for the tragedy. But my charity will be going elsewhere to people who needed it before the Earthquake (as it always does).

It's ironic giving charity to a country that is so rich and probably quite thouroughly insured.

It's like giving money to Charlie Sheen if his house blew up.

I've decided to delete the emotional appeal because the merits of my argument are purely rational, that and I'm sick of my comments being misinterpreted as being "heartless" or "sick"
yes, youre right, my opinion is the same .. they are one of the richest country in the world, they can help themselfes .. and, they have the luxus of a monarchy which cost millions of dollars every year for nothing, what are these people are doing for a job for that money ? ... nobody is seen in fukushima of them ... i have the same opinion, japan need no money .. they need new politicans for the future who really help in such a situation in fukshima directly ... nobody is seen ... they have money but they are not able to help the victims, the own people are sitting without eat, water, medical, heat .. thats the real tragedy ...
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At this stage I'm just defending my point.

Good for you if you are kind enough to give to people in a disaster.

I'm just saying, donating money to Japan is charity misplaced.

I will not give to the USA or any other developed country in a disaster either.
same, no money for rich countries ... they can help themselfes vey quick when they short their own luxury a little bit ...
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trend - 03-21-2011, 07:11 AM

well, its really a trend to shout for money today because it is easier than to open the own money box ... and i really hate this ... you must different who has enough like japan and just has to cut a little bit luxury and countries which have no possibility and are really poor .. japan is not poor, they are luxury over all ... and the hole south is intact .. so there is really enough money to help the own people .. they can solve their problem by themselfe ... and maybe this monarchy save a litte bit money this year from the millions they get like every monarchy in world ... mass of money ... a expensive hobby today to have a monarchy without any sense today ... only historical ...
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well, its really a trend to shout for money today because it is easier than to open the own money box ... and i really hate this ... you must different who has enough like japan and just has to cut a little bit luxury and countries which have no possibility and are really poor .. japan is not poor, they are luxury over all ... and the hole south is intact .. so there is really enough money to help the own people .. they can solve their problem by themselfe ... and maybe this monarchy save a litte bit money this year from the millions they get like every monarchy in world ... mass of money ... a expensive hobby today to have a monarchy without any sense today ... only historical ...
You need to consider the bigger picture, Japan isn't in a vacuum.
If Japan is forced to use a critical amount of resources to recuperate from this disaster, then one of the biggest consumer-economies of the world will be taken out of play, this will domino effect into all developed countries first as major loss of employment and Lehman-shock-like effects all over again.
There is a global economic infrastructure in place which is very fragile, and if all parts of it don't move in unison then it has adverse effects in places that are seemingly unrelated.

Conversely, simply giving money to most poor countries has in the past generally created dependencies, not progress.


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