Give money to Haiti, not Japan.

[RobinMask]

Originally Posted by unicornjp

確かにRonin4hireさんの言うとおり、実は日本はそれほどmo neyに困っているわけじゃない。
国債の発行(個人的には止めて欲しいけど)、増税、外国 に投資している資産の引き上げ、
子会社の売却等々、復興資金を捻出する手段はいくらで もある。現に東京電力は海外事業
を売却して、補償金を作った。http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20...07-jij-bus_all
もしこれらの手段を使うとしたら、最初は海外からの資 産引き上げ、子会社の売却になるだろ
うと思う。外側から切り崩していって、極力日本本体が 痛まない方法を取るのは当然だから。
でもこの手段は世界経済の現状を考えると、困る国がた くさん出てくるでしょ。支援の催促と取
られてしまうから、これ以上は言わない。

Could you respond to threads in English in future (unless in the Japanese section of the site)? It's just you clearly understand English as you were able to read these comments in order to reply, and many members here don't speak Japanese fluently - I had to use a translation site just to see what you said.

[RealJames]

Originally Posted by unicornjp

確かにRonin4hireさんの言うとおり、実は日本はそれほどmo neyに困っているわけじゃない。
国債の発行(個人的には止めて欲しいけど)、増税、外国 に投資している資産の引き上げ、
子会社の売却等々、復興資金を捻出する手段はいくらで もある。現に東京電力は海外事業
を売却して、補償金を作った。http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20...07-jij-bus_all
もしこれらの手段を使うとしたら、最初は海外からの資 産引き上げ、子会社の売却になるだろ
うと思う。外側から切り崩していって、極力日本本体が 痛まない方法を取るのは当然だから。
でもこの手段は世界経済の現状を考えると、困る国がた くさん出てくるでしょ。支援の催促と取
られてしまうから、これ以上は言わない。

I think you make a very good point,
Japan could easily pay for the repairs and recovery of the damages it incurred by forcing other countries to repay national debt or selling off-shore subsidiary companies or many other ways which would avoid an economic crisis in Japan.
But, as you said, if Japan did that, it would shift the economic crisis to those countries.
The alternative is donations as you implied, but it's no solution. Regardless of who pays for it, natural disasters take their toll on humanity.

Regarding the Haiti vs Japan issues. The total sum required to bring either of the places back to their former glory is like comparing a hotwheels toy car to an F1 prototype model.
And then there's the factor that the dollar given to Haiti may find it's way into a greedy pocket a lot more easily than in Japan.
Those are my two cents.

[MMM]

TO Nippom,

I understand and agree with much of what you are saying. The OP acknowledges in his first post that the title of this thread appears heartless, and I can understand the disappointment you felt in reading such a title in a forum dedicated to Japan at a time when Japan is going through the worst natural disaster in modern history.

The OP says the purpose of the thread is to bring attention to places that need money more than Japan, but my suspicion is that it is to get an emotional reaction from well-meaning posters like yourself.

The US Supreme Court has ruled that freedom of speech cannot be suppressed, even if it is people holding up signs that say "God Hates F*gs" at the funerals of fallen soldiers. Of course JF is not held to the same standards as public property in America, but I think you can see my point.

[RickOShay]

Originally Posted by RealJames

I think you make a very good point,
Japan could easily pay for the repairs and recovery of the damages it incurred by forcing other countries to repay national debt or selling off-shore subsidiary companies or many other ways which would avoid an economic crisis in Japan.
But, as you said, if Japan did that, it would shift the economic crisis to those countries.
The alternative is donations as you implied, but it's no solution. Regardless of who pays for it, natural disasters take their toll on humanity.

Regarding the Haiti vs Japan issues. The total sum required to bring either of the places back to their former glory is like comparing a hotwheels toy car to an F1 prototype model.
And then there's the factor that the dollar given to Haiti may find it's way into a greedy pocket a lot more easily than in Japan.
Those are my two cents.

James I do not think he was saying to force other countries to pay off their national debt or debt to Japan but have Japan issue bonds, raise taxes, and sell off some of its major companys' subsidiaries in other countries, that is how tokyo electric power has come up with some of their compensation money, and that should be the first step taken, however selling off those subsidiaries, could have some bad economic effects for other countries...i think..that is what he was trying to say anyhow, i could be way off

In any case I would say a combination of the two (donations) and the said above should be used, that way the full force of any stresses different parties might recieve by focusing on either option could be spread out.

[fatalbert130]

According to the Korean newspaper article, it is ・・.
The amount of money that Korean people raised funds for Haiti is 9 million dollars.
The Korean Red Cross reserves 6 million dollars of those to their fixed deposit accounts.
The Korean Red Cross should send good will of Korea to Haiti.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by MMM

The OP says the purpose of the thread is to bring attention to places that need money more than Japan, but my suspicion is that it is to get an emotional reaction from well-meaning posters like yourself.

The US Supreme Court has ruled that freedom of speech cannot be suppressed, even if it is people holding up signs that say "God Hates F*gs" at the funerals of fallen soldiers. Of course JF is not held to the same standards as public property in America, but I think you can see my point.

What a speech.

Actually if you remember this thread started because you asked me to make a seperate thread as this was originally being discussed in the charity for Japan thread.

But I think that fact is clouded by your vendetta against me.

[RealJames]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

What a speech.

Actually if you remember this thread started because you asked me to make a seperate thread as this was originally being discussed in the charity for Japan thread.

But I think that fact is clouded by your vendetta against me.

you've both been here longer than I so I really don't know but it always felt to me that MMM was on the defensive against you

[TheContract318]

obvious troll is obvious. How did this get to page 11.

Do not feed the troll.

[BobbyCooper]

Originally Posted by TheContract318

obvious troll is obvious. How did this get to page 11.

Do not feed the troll.

#2

Actually, I am absolutely disgusted by this thread!!!

no further comment..

[MMM]

Originally Posted by RealJames

you've both been here longer than I so I really don't know but it always felt to me that MMM was on the defensive against you

Quite the contrary. Ronin has decided this is personal, not me. That being said, I dont like new members getting frightened away by thread titles such as this one. Ronin, look how many posts of yours I have responded to in the last month, and you will see how real the "vendetta" I have against you is. I am just sorry to see Nippom turned off by it.