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03-15-2011, 05:32 AM

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Holy Christ, Ronin. Don't pretend anyone here is any more insulting or personal in their language than you are.
Oh really... you want to go back and see what Sangetsu and others have said?

Not to mention you spinning my comments.
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03-15-2011, 05:33 AM

I understand where your comeing from Ronin, you feel that money should be send to poor nations who can't help themselves and that rich nations can take care of themselves. That's not a unrealistic belief persay. However, why help poor nations that lack any capability of doing anything with your help any way? No infrastructure, no roads, no government, basically grass huts in the desert.

Investing means picking a winner, that's what your doing reguardless of your intentions. Putting money and resources into an area that will make something of it in the future. Placeing money in area's were they wont do that, is just a waste of money.
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03-15-2011, 05:34 AM

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I don't think ronin is a stingy guy, he isn't. I think he wants people to pay attention to the 3rd world, which isn't wrong places like Haiti and those other countries do deserve it too. Just he has become a little passionate about the topic, and it's starting to become personal.

Ronin, take a step back, and relax. We can't change how people think. So we can all agree, to disagree.
OK.. thank you. I agree.
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03-15-2011, 05:34 AM

Sengetsu doesn't swear at people as you do Ronin.
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03-15-2011, 05:36 AM

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Oh really... you want to go back and see what Sangetsu and others have said?

Not to mention you spinning my comments.
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I'm sorry that in your black and white world I come accross as heartless to you. .
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As for macro economics. I know what it is morons.
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Little Japanese babies are worth more than little black babies.

There's your f*cking macro-economics.

Whatever.

I didn't spin a thing. Obviously I am talking about MONETARY help... that's what we are talking about.

You dug your hole, and I am not going to let you use me as an excuse to climb out.

People that want to put money into Japan over Haiti think Japanese babies are worth more than black babies. That's your argument. I am not going to sit down and be called a racist for thinking helping the people in Japan is a worthy cause.
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03-15-2011, 05:41 AM

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I didn't spin a thing. Obviously I am talking about MONETARY help... that's what we are talking about.

You dug your hole, and I am not going to let you use me as an excuse to climb out.

People that want to put money into Japan over Haiti think Japanese babies are worth more than black babies. That's your argument. I am not going to sit down and be called a racist for thinking helping the people in Japan is a worthy cause.
What hole did I dig?

That was obviously a sarcastic dig at the whole bullsh*t macro economics justification.

I quite clearly wrote

There's your f*cking macro-economics.

in the same post.

It isn't directed at you UNLESS you actually think that Japan "deserves" money more than a country like Haiti because of macro-economics.

Also the other posts were after I had been called stupid by Sangetsu and Ozukabaraki (or whatever it was)

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03-15-2011, 05:42 AM

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I understand where your comeing from Ronin, you feel that money should be send to poor nations who can't help themselves and that rich nations can take care of themselves. That's not a unrealistic belief persay. However, why help poor nations that lack any capability of doing anything with your help any way? No infrastructure, no roads, no government, basically grass huts in the desert.

Investing means picking a winner, that's what your doing reguardless of your intentions. Putting money and resources into an area that will make something of it in the future. Placeing money in area's were they wont do that, is just a waste of money.
I disagree with what you said just there, you compared that with an investment. But no, it doesn't matter what kind of infra-structure it is, humanitarian aid is most deserved by those that LACK those things. If the buildings are less developed, then the destruction would be more severe.

In such countries, this is where Charities carry out long-term projects where people can grow their own food and survive by themselves. The charities, only help get them started. This type of aid is critical for 3rd world countries.

I think aid is deserving for any country, depending on the situation. Of course in more developed countries, Aid projects are mostly short term. So it doesn't use it much of it's resources.

Countries like Haiti, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Africa etc are the heart of Charities.

You shouldn't compare acts of charity as an investment. It's not a profit-making scheme. People will still help other human beings, whether it is an investment or not, because it is the RIGHT THING TO DO. It would be heartless to let human beings to die for no reason.

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03-15-2011, 05:46 AM

I'll say it though. In the grand sceme of things in reguards to American national interests, helping Japan is worth more than helping Haiti. Japan is a valued military ally in the pacific and helps safeguard against China, is a large tradeing partner with the 3rd worlds largest economy with direct ties to the American economy........What's Haiti got?..............hmmmmmm..let's see.............Hmmmmm........Nothing.

Despite all that we still sent billions to Haiti and guess what they did with it?...........brought back Baby Doc. Meanwile thousands die cause nothing has been rebuilt or fixed the water system is destroyed the government non functional. Weeeeeeeeeeee...that's some seriously well spent money there.

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03-15-2011, 05:47 AM

Unsuccessful.

My 2cents.


Too many people spend money they haven't earned, to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like.
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03-15-2011, 05:50 AM

Aid provided by charities and the like, that's thier buisiness and if they want to do that I'm fine with it. But nations won't do didal about certain things in poor nations because they can't get anything from it. It's why the slaughter in Darfar was allowed, same with Ruwanda. Lybia will prolly be retaken by Gadafi cause nobody thinks it's worth the effort to kick him out.
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