UN-NATO attack on Libya

[Kozyra]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Serbiangirl; China and Russia aren't strong, they know who the real master is globally. Don't kid yourself, I sleep very well knowing the world could be completely destroyed a dozen times over if we desired it.

Deep down you know this as well. The world is safe because the US Restrains itself, not because the world does anything.

Do you know why most Arabs and Muslims believe that the American government is bad government? Look at this:
1- YouTube - The Arrivals Part 18
2- YouTube - The Arrivals - Part 17 (War On Terror)
3- YouTube - The Arrivals - Part 18 (The Hypocrisy Of Democracy)

[protheus]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Look, I realize you think a certain way, and your entitled to that. However, consider this. The US after WW2 had 15 million men in the army and were the world's only superpower, everyone else was decimated.

Stop talking b.s., if it had the power it would have tried that. The balance between Russia and USA saved the world and only that. Get your nose down from the stratosphere back in reality.

[Kozyra]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Look, I realize you think a certain way, and your entitled to that. However, consider this. The US after WW2 had 15 million men in the army and were the world's only superpower, everyone else was decimated..

No one can deny that the United States is one of the world's most powerful nations in various fields, but I give it 0% in terms of human values​​, justice and cooperation between religions and the non-aligned to the category without the other ........ And U.S. governments are the cause ......... You should know that the principle of "the end justifies the means" and the principle of "our interest above everything" are rejected.

[Kozyra]

Originally Posted by termogard

Many nations of so-called 3rd world still grateful to Russia and hate the USA. The USSR was making really helpful things for them except communist slogans and propaganda.Soviet engineers and technicians built hydro-electric plants, developed infrastructure and supplied weaponry to fight north-american imperialism. The USA brought nothing short of violence and devastation. That's why Russia mostly has friends around the globe while the USA has mostly servants. Ask people of Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua, India, Iran, Venesuela, Syria, Serbia, Libya etc.

I'm totally agree , the difference is clear and doesn't need to explain more.

[Serbiangirl]

Ryzorian, what happened my friend? pulling out of Lybia?
Lybia supposed to be easy target for master(s)

[termogard]

Originally Posted by Kozyra

I'm totally agree , the difference is clear and doesn't need to explain more.

In addition - true face of US "peace warriors" and "torches of democracy" :

Wesley Clark and the Truth about the Middle East

YouTube - Wesley Clark and the Truth about the Middle East

According to 4 star General Wesley Clark, U.S. Army (ret), the US government had a plan to attack seven countries in five years.......Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Iran

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Kozyra

No one can deny that the United States is one of the world's most powerful nations in various fields, but I give it 0% in terms of human values​​, justice and cooperation between religions and the non-aligned to the category without the other ........ And U.S. governments are the cause ......... You should know that the principle of "the end justifies the means" and the principle of "our interest above everything" are rejected.

0%? So there is NO COUNTRY WORSE than the US when it comes to
1) human values
2) justice and
3) cooperation between religions?

NO COUNTRY WORSE? Are you kidding me?

In this country women are not stoned to death for talking to men besides their husband or have their genitals mutilated as girls to reduce sexual stimulation. Justice is one of the most important values to Americans, and when injustice happens it makes a big stir. Talking about religion in a country where so many different religions and factions make their home is part of the American experience. Here religious leaders do no greet members of other religions with stones and bombs, but with a friendly handshake.

[Ryzorian]

There isn't any stratosphere I need recede from. The US is not a war mongering imperialist. It does do things it thinks are in it's national interests, wether rightly or wrongly I suppose can be debated.

Russia didn't balance anything after ww2, they didn't test fire a nuke until 1949, the US had 4 years they could have forced Russia's surrendor via a nuke to Moscow and didn't. How do you think Stalin would have reacted to Russia's lack of that ablity, had he been president of the US at the time?...

After ww2 The US had pretty much complete controle of the Pacific basin and dominated politics in Europe, they could have dictated how the UN was crafted or even if a UN would exist. They could have forced Japan and Germany to become states, they could have created a colony out of China.
They could have claimed the European colonies of the middle east as thier own. Yet they did not.

The US mostly bumbles along like the Bipolar giant it is.
That's what none of you are seeing, sure the US does alot of inadvertant damage, entire nations will never forgot the devestation brought apon them by America's mistaken perceptions. That doesn't mean the US is an evil colonizer type nation because it isn't. You need to take people from history that we know were driven by that insane desire for power and realize what the USA really could be if someone like that was running it. Napolean, Hitler, Stalin, Ceaser, Attila the Hun, Kubli Khan, Pol Pot.

The USA has the potential to destroy nations with out even trying, You mentioned Lybia. 10 days of half hearted attacks has destroyed his air defense and 25% of his armor. Most of the US doesn't even care, they are more concerned about idol and what Britiny Spears is doing.

Japan was the last nation to truely anger the US nation as a whole, by that I mean all the citizens were motivated by only one thing, Japan's destruction. The US has never been that angery about anything since. Not even 911 kept us angery as a nation for more than a few months, perhaps some parts were and are still upset but most of us are back to watching football and whatever.

I honestly think that is what upsets so many of you, The US can be massively destructive and it does so almost in a disinterested way. The casual nature of how we approach things can be frighting by the meer fact that it seems as though we are only acting out of a form of mild curiosity and nothing more. Like a giant cat, we are only there as long as the shiny object holds it's entertainment value.

[Serbiangirl]

Russia lost over 20 milion soldiers in WW2, Us lost 2 A-bombs, and joined WW2 in the last kilometer while race was 42 km (same story in WW1)
9/11.....well, u can't be upset with your own people...can u?
of course Us don't care what is going in Libya...maybe idol and Breatney Spears are going to pay 179bn$ US owe to OPEC (including Iraq and Libya) the countries they fighting with
who is next?
let's check list of OPEC...answers are there

[termogard]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Russia didn't balance anything after ww2, they didn't test fire a nuke until 1949, the US had 4 years they could have forced Russia's surrendor via a nuke to Moscow and didn't.

Do you seriously think that your leaders could force Russians to surrender by nuclear bombings of Russian capital?
Stalin had a couple or even more underground command centers made of steel and armoured concrete. Soviet people were ready for possible american aggression including nuclear bombings after Fulton speech of Winston Churchill in 1946.
And you simply had not enough nuclear devices prior to 1949 to destroy all Soviet industry.
That's why your Plan Totality remained on paper.