UN-NATO attack on Libya

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by TalnSG

Given that, then why is that the GDP is always the compared data when the press and netizens claim that China is outpacing the rest of the world's economies? We have to use it if we are going to comment on those stories.

It's not relevant within the context of Ryozorian's main thrust. He apparently thinks the US has the resources and ability to colonize Asia and Europe lol.

He thinks that the US debt is no big deal and thinks that because the debt equals the GDP then there is nothing wrong.

It's relevant given the context you provide of course.

Originally Posted by TalnSG

Yes, the US lost. We withdrew not only because the American public was fed up with the expense in lives, materials and money, but because Westmoreland and McNamara finally admitted they could not win against a Chinese-backed North Vietnam. If it were not for them, it would not have dragged on so long.

Well yeah.. I'm aware of that.

You think if anyone else was in charge, the US would've won?

(Or are you just backing me up? In which case.. never mind)

[Kozyra]

Originally Posted by Serbiangirl

so focus
why u think it would be different if hitler was president of US?
german or american or whatever...if something is going wrong people in the world will raise a voice
just like now
i don't think american people are bad...at least not all of them...what bothers me is the silence, where are they? students? all of them silente...that mean they agree with all decisions goverment make
or they afraid to talk?
but, u have democracy..so that can't be a case

They don't speak because of the media and the government that hides its crimes in the Middle East and in Palestine and Afghanistan and in Iraq, the U.S. media hides the crimes of U.S. government .The media controlling the American people's ideas , and it is the source of their findings.
I will give you an example , the American media make the war in Afghanistan like an American responded to the events of 11 \ 9, and they forgot what their tanks and their weapons have done in Palestine, And it is the origin of all these problems , which killed thousands of Palestinians, and U.S. media hides these crimes as well , the American people don't know anything about Bin Laden , they just know what the media says about him , this is a simple example.

[termogard]

Originally Posted by TalnSG

but because Westmoreland and McNamara finally admitted they could not win against a Chinese-backed North Vietnam. If it were not for them, it would not have dragged on so long.

Seems you did not study not only history of nuclear technologies but also world history as well.

The USSR supplied much more weaponry to Viet Cong than China.

Example :

The ubiquitous Soviet AK-47 was widely regarded as the best assault rifle of the war and it was not uncommon to see U.S. special forces with captured AK-47s. The American M-16, which replaced the M-14, was considered more accurate and was lighter than the AK-47 but was prone to jamming. Oftentimes the gun suffered from a jamming flaw known as “failure to extract,” which meant that a spent cartridge case remained lodged in the chamber after a bullet flew out the muzzle.[235] This caused serious problems during firefights. Jamming problems were generally associated with poor maintenance but these problems were remedied with the issuance of cleaning kits and better maintenance.[235]

Wiki

Originally Posted by TalnSG

If it were not for them, it would not have dragged on so long

If a Frog had glass @ss he would break it everytime he jumped.

[Ryzorian]

Yea, Russia supplied North Vietnam far more than China. Vietnam was foobared because they didn't fight it the way they should have. The US too often fights with one hand tied behind it's back. The rules of engagement for vietnam were some of the most idiotic rules ever made.

Ronin, The US could have colonized China after ww2. They also could have colonized most of Africa, the Middle east and large parts of Europe. Since they won all that territory from the Germans and Japanese. Territory won is kept by empires, just look what Russia did after ww2. The US does't operate that way, it's why we didn't do what the USSR did after ww2.

Now trying to do so would be problamatic politically, though I still think we could defeat anyone out there militarily, if we put our full might behind it. As in vietnam, we dominated them on the battle field, it's the dumb politicans that "Lost" it. I can't account for politicians because most of ours are so corrupt it isn't worth haveing them. But I would have our military match up against anybody's on the planet.


Kozyra, Isreal defended itself against constant attacks from wackado terrorists, who hid behind women and children as they fired on Isreali troops, I have no sympathy for that kind of "bravery" at all. In fact, they keep fireing rockets into Isreal every day. The US wouldn't tolerate Mexico fireing rockets into Texas, I can tell you that. If Mexico had fired the number of rockets that Hamas and Hezbolah have, Mexico would end up being a colony. Isreal is being overly kind to people who want it destroyed.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Yea, Russia supplied North Vietnam far more than China. Vietnam was foobared because they didn't fight it the way they should have. The US too often fights with one hand tied behind it's back. The rules of engagement for vietnam were some of the most idiotic rules ever made.

Ronin, The US could have colonized China after ww2. They also could have colonized most of Africa, the Middle east and large parts of Europe. Since they won all that territory from the Germans and Japanese. Territory won is kept by empires, just look what Russia did after ww2. The US does't operate that way, it's why we didn't do what the USSR did after ww2.

Now trying to do so would be problamatic politically, though I still think we could defeat anyone out there militarily, if we put our full might behind it. As in vietnam, we dominated them on the battle field, it's the dumb politicans that "Lost" it. I can't account for politicians because most of ours are so corrupt it isn't worth haveing them. But I would have our military match up against anybody's on the planet.

lol.. Dominated them on the battlefield? Have you ever spoken to a Vietnam vet? I don't think "dominating" is the word they would use to describe their situation. Vietnam was hell for the US troops and I don't think you will find a vet out there that will tell you they were "dominating".

Granted that the US won all the major battles but you still fail to see that it was the minor skirmishes that won it for the Vietnamese with a clear strategy to wear down the "giant" rather than fight it outright.

Also you keep giving excuses as though war is a sport or video game. The US couldn't wage total war because

a) The Chinese and the Russians had nukes and
b) it would undermine their MISSION (you know... the thing you have to achieve in order to "win" the war).

A general must know the strengths and weaknesses of the enemy he/she is facing and must know him/herself and their own strengths and weaknesses and adapt the conditions.

This is Sun Tzu 101

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Kozyra, Isreal defended itself against constant attacks from wackado terrorists, who hid behind women and children as they fired on Isreali troops, I have no sympathy for that kind of "bravery" at all. In fact, they keep fireing rockets into Isreal every day. The US wouldn't tolerate Mexico fireing rockets into Texas, I can tell you that. If Mexico had fired the number of rockets that Hamas and Hezbolah have, Mexico would end up being a colony. Isreal is being overly kind to people who want it destroyed.

lol... again you don't understand war.

It's not a sport. Being brave doesn't win you wars.

From a rational standpoint... going after Israeli civilians just makes sense. You can't hope to challenge the high-tech and well-trained Israeli military. So of course you hit Israel where it hurts and take advantage of the fact that Israel can't be seen killing civilians in the eyes of the world (though that doesn't really stop them).

Not saying it's right... the whole situation is f*cked up over there but considering the Israeli's have kept Palestine poverty stricken and isolated for decades (Recent Wikileaks documents have actually exposed this as Israeli policy).. it's not surprising that they will fire rockets now and then out of protest.

[Kozyra]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Kozyra, Isreal defended itself against constant attacks from wackado terrorists, who hid behind women and children as they fired on Isreali troops, I have no sympathy for that kind of "bravery" at all. In fact, they keep fireing rockets into Isreal every day. The US wouldn't tolerate Mexico fireing rockets into Texas, I can tell you that. If Mexico had fired the number of rockets that Hamas and Hezbolah have, Mexico would end up being a colony. Isreal is being overly kind to people who want it destroyed.

Ryzorian , Are you kidding me ?
Israel in every war argues the same argument, and unfortunately deceives the American people, always through the media, just as the excuse is that the history of this land historically is for them to justify their occupation of Palestine and the killing of people out there .
Hamas fires rockets towards Israel for several reasons:
1 - continuing Israeli settlement activity in Palestinian territories and the destruction of Palestinian homes and the daily violation of international treaties .
2 - Land and naval blockade on Gaza, under the pretext of not transferring weapons to Hamas, in addition to repeated air raids on Gaza that claimed the lives of civilians, and who are not Hamas, only civilians, and U.S. media hides these crimes , too .
3 - Hamas and Arabs consider that Israel is the occupation, and they did not forget the massacre at Deir Yassin and other massacres, and since Israel did not understand the language of dialogue, so it is possible to understand the language of power, do not forget that the rockets used by Hamas are very weak and Inaccurate and I did not hear about the killing of civilians and Israelis in Israel by these missiles vulnerable these days , as I know .
Do not forget that in the recent Israeli war on Gaza, they killed many civilians and children in the Gaza Strip by U.S. weapons.
Israel above international law and no one can tell them stop. Also, remember that Israel occupies the Golan, south of Syria, is it historically to them as well? I do not know how you believe these lies.
See this , This video by a Jew man :
YouTube - ‫انا لا أحترم دموع التماسيح قويه جداً ولصالح فلسطين‬‎

[Ryzorian]

Isreal OWNS the land they won in multiple wars Kozyra, they were attacked out right as soon as they established the country in 1948. They don't "occupy" anything, anymore than Syria "occupies" land that once belonged to the Babylonians or Assyrians or Meads. Therefore they have the right to build settlements on it. Peace isn't possible with people who live only for thier destruction. Palistians will continue to die as long as Palistian mothers hate Isreal more than they love thier own children.

Ronin; Yes I have talked to Vietnam vets, they won every major engagement includeing the so called "Tet offensive". They were boged down by stupid rules of engagement...can't attack enemy convoys that aren't on the road, can't attack enemy troops inside ruins and temples, can't do this, can't do that. The whole thing was a joke. That's the biggest reason many are bitter, the govermnet wouldn't allow them to WIN.

No Ronin, China and Russia did not have Nukes right after ww2..only the US did. Russia didn't develope one until 1949, China was much later than that. Sure they have some now, however our anti missle system is far more capable than you realize. It's partly why we get upset when North Korea tests fires missles. We dont want to have to reveal how well our system works. No, it isn't the Patriot, that was never an anti missle system, it's actually an anti aircraft battery.

I understand war Ronin; Destroy the enemy's will to fight by what ever means are required.

[Kozyra]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Isreal OWNS the land they won in multiple wars Kozyra, they were attacked out right as soon as they established the country in 1948. They don't "occupy" anything, anymore than Syria "occupies" land that once belonged to the Babylonians or Assyrians or Meads. Therefore they have the right to build settlements on it. Peace isn't possible with people who live only for thier destruction. Palistians will continue to die as long as Palistian mothers hate Isreal more than they love thier own children.

This is the strangest word I saw in my life, you talk nonsense , and this is hostile words, and I declined to comment on your report .

[TalnSG]

Originally Posted by termogard

Seems you did not study not only history of nuclear technologies but also world history as well.
The USSR supplied much more weaponry to Viet Cong than China.

I did not say "armed" I said backed; as in supplied the manpower which is why North Vietnam won. It had very little to do with armament and everything to do with "expendable" bodies to persist until the other side gave up. I am quite familiar with the weaponry, as I owned one of those rifles supplied by the USSR - acquired first hand in Vietnam in 1970.

And FYI, most people who experience an event high enough up in a command don't have to check abridged sources like Wikipedia.