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04-23-2011, 05:16 AM

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Maybe I should have said please stop attempting to legitimise your fairytale with making it seem as though there's some sort of science to it.

Basically believing in a god is similar to believing in Santa Claus. He performs miracles. He must know something about the speed of light and relativity to be able to deliver billions of presents in a night. Billions of children have claimed to have seen him (I was one of them). And he also cares about our morals and is all knowing as he really does know if we've been naughty or nice. Like most children eventually realise it was all a hoax I would like to think that most rational people out there will also come to realise the hoax of religions. Unfortunately it seems there's a lot of people who are not overly rational...
You are too influenced by Hollywood films and these ridiculous things .... This films are nothing to do with religions and it is just a waste of time.
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04-23-2011, 05:19 AM

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You are too influenced by Hollywood films and these ridiculous things .... This films are nothing to do with religions and it is just a waste of time.
What the hell have any of my comments got to do with Hollywood films???

What you think Santa Claus is only a creature of Hollywood? Santa Claus is a story most western children grow up believing in. It's not just something out of Hollywood....

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What the hell have any of my comments got to do with Hollywood films???

What you think Santa Claus is only a creature of Hollywood?
Can I ask you something ?
Can we make a car with engine and wheels without a factory or engineer ?
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04-23-2011, 05:37 AM

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Can I ask you something ?
Can we make a car with engine and wheels without a factory or engineer ?
Is this supposed to be some analogy with the creation of the universe?
If you actually read something other than your beloved Quran then you might know that theoretically in physics it is completely possible that a universe can be created without the need for a god to get things kick started. Does science have all the answers yet? Certainly not but we do know a hell of a lot more than they did during the time the Quran was written up by men trying to create a religion. Science continues to move on with discovering more and more about the world and universe around us. Religions do not move on. They require you to stop using your brain and just accept things on faith. They stifle the ability to learn and grow our understanding of the universe around us. No need to learn anything really beyond what is written in a book that was written over 2000 years ago is there? All the answers you ever need are in that book yeah? Same goes with all the fools who believe in the Bible. Nutters the lot of you! LOL
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Is this supposed to be some analogy with the creation of the universe?
If you actually read something other than your beloved Quran then you might know that theoretically in physics it is completely possible that a universe can be created without the need for a god to get things kick started. Does science have all the answers yet? Certainly not but we do know a hell of a lot more than they did during the time the Quran was written up by men trying to create a religion. Science continues to move on with discovering more and more about the world and universe around us. Religions do not move on. They require you to stop using your brain and just accept things on faith. They stifle the ability to learn and grow our understanding of the universe around us. No need to learn anything really beyond what is written in a book that was written over 2000 years ago is there? All the answers you ever need are in that book yeah? LOL
So by the same equation , human can't be made without God and clay .
the engineer : One God the creator .
the car with a engine and wheels : a human with hands , legs and heart .
the factory : the world , the clay and water .
Do you understand now what I am believing ?

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So by the same equation , human can't be made without God and clay .
the engineer : One God the creator .
the car with a engine and wheels : a human with hands , legs and heart .
the factory : the world , the clay and water .
Do you understand now what I am believing ?
No I don't understand at all. There are plausible scientific theories as to the creation of the universe which need no 'god' explanation. Humans coming into being without any influence of a 'god' is also adequately explained by science. There is no need for gods to explain these things. We have minds to discover these things. Religions only encourage us not to use them...
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No I don't understand at all. There are plausible scientific theories as to the creation of the universe which need no 'god' explanation. Humans coming into being without any influence of a 'god' is also adequately explained by science. There is no need for gods to explain these things. We have minds to discover these things. Religions only encourage us not to use them...
The universe did not create himself, and we must use our mind to know how God created this universe.
Prophet Muhammad was illiterate, so the Qur'an did not write by any person, and the Koran encourages the sciences in a lot of verses, because the Muslims must reconstruction the land and the world , there were many muslim scientists in the past such as Ibn Sina and Algorithm and many others ...
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If you said to me that your god explanation is just one of the many possible theories that you are willing to consider and that you have kept an open mind on all other possibilities then I would have no problems at all. The fact that you have decided that your particular god explanation (one out of the many 1000's of similar god explanations that have and continue to exist on this planet) is the one and only explanation is what I take issue with. In the absence of any proof whatsoever, well any logical and rational proof, you have decided to go with an explanation of creation that involves some mystical being that has no more validity than any other nutty religious explanation out there. People are more than happy to consider many of the cults out there as full of crazy people but even the weirdest cults really are no weirder than any of the mainstream religions. None have any validity or proof to back their claims. At least with science it is something that is dynamic and theories change with time as our knowledge grows. You religious guys haven't moved on at all from the ancient past.

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No I don't understand at all. There are plausible scientific theories as to the creation of the universe which need no 'god' explanation. Humans coming into being without any influence of a 'god' is also adequately explained by science. There is no need for gods to explain these things. We have minds to discover these things. Religions only encourage us not to use them...
Islam encourage to know who created your mind because you didn't create your mind .

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Islam encourage to know how created your mind because you don't created your mind .
So you believe. With no proof whatsoever to back up this assertion....
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