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04-23-2011, 10:19 PM
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- God says in the Qur'an: {and then the earth Dhaha by God } _Pluckers _" 30" . Dhaha: Arabic word meaning that the earth looks flat in the Ground , but in fact it is spherical. How did the Prophet Mohammed know that the earth is spherical ? - Another miracle which describes God be the fetus in the womb of his mother, the verse is: {O people, if ye are in doubt of the Re-life so you must know that we have created you from dust, then from a sperm and then from a clot of blood and from the embryo formed and unformed to show you how what is going on in the wombs , the you be a child and then to be strong , and some of you die and some of you returned to the very end of life so as not to know after the knowledge of something and see the earth but when we send down water the earth thereon shaken and brought up and grew from all pairs of } Hajj 5 All this 1400 years ago, the Arabs were ignorant and do not know something called science, and the Prophet Muhammad was illiterate, how would he wrote all these things? -God created the earth, not as GoNative believed that he created earth by that two large hands , the Earth was formed as a result of gathering dust, dirt, dust and dust formed from something else and so on until we reach the end of the chain to the Creator, because the material things create from other material things , there is no such thing called " nothing ", material objects did not created by " nothing ", material objects created from material things and other , we reach the end of the chain to the the Creator therefore there is nothing inconsistent with science . 
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04-24-2011, 02:12 AM
If I'm not correct who cares? I am just some lunatic blowing smoke, I wont change or effect anything. If your correct Ronin, then eventually everyone will join hands and sing Kumbaya under the stars, in a world liveing in harmony.
However, If I'm correct, well .............It's just a matter of a card game isn't it? The bet's are on the table...An eternal afterlife is the wager, now we just have to see who's cards are the better ones. The irony of this wager is that 100,000 years from now if you win Ronin, nobody will know, If I win, everyone will.
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04-24-2011, 07:44 AM
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There is no irony because it's not an emotional investment for me. It's just a common sense conclusion. This idea of a wager doesn't even make sense. If it did.. I think I would place my bets with Lord Xenu and the Scientologists lol.
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04-24-2011, 07:58 AM
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Who sits on the table is you and me Ryzorian , I think you will understand me.
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04-24-2011, 09:20 AM
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04-24-2011, 10:40 AM
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 And what about the 1000's of other religions out there? Does the fact that there are so many not tell you they are just the creations of man? If your gods are so powerful that they created the entire universe you would think it would be pretty easy for them to reveal themselves to all peoples on this planet wouldn't it? Just do it once and we're all convinced. Compared to creating the whole universe I would think this would be a walk in the park. But no these all powerful, all knowing gods just choose a few select people to cryptically reveal their divine message! It's just so completely and utterly ridiculous... LOL I can understand why there is no debate on religion on this forum. It's because no rational or logical discussion can ever be held on it. Because religion is not rational or logical. It's irrational and illogical to have total faith in something for which there is no proof whatsoever. Such faith is certainly not a virtue. It's a restricts peoples ability to keep an open mind on the world around them. MMM I know we're not meant to but it is so much fun seeing just how ridiculous the arguments of the devout are!
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