UN-NATO attack on Libya

[Kozyra]

Originally Posted by termogard

Seems, they have just lost F-15.......

This is true but the pilot survived

[Kozyra]

I am really sad about what is happening in our Arab countries, it is chaos in the widest sense of the word, corruption everywhere, there is no freedom, no democracy, and people abandoned its principles, in addition to organized campaigns to tarnish the image of Muslims that they are just murderers and Like to drink blood, as well as some Western leaders who want to control the resources of this country, and in the end , the Arabs who maintained the principles of Islamic "without extremism" paying the price, and the problem has become difficult to resolve

[Kozyra]

All I want that the NATO leaders must remember that the protection of civilians is the primary

[Kozyra]

Originally Posted by termogard

True face of so-called Western Democracy.
We, civilized and democratic creatures, just want to grab your oil !

I'm totally agree with you , but how do you convince the members here of this fact? They are not convinced that .
I like you man

[fluffy0000]

Originally Posted by Sangetsu

Perhaps when we discuss Iraq, we can remember a decade's worth of UN resolutions which were never enforced by the UN. We should remember the UN's "Oil For Food Program" which was supposed to allow Saddam Hussein to sell oil to feed his people, but which instead was used to enrich UN officials while allowing Saddam to go on and build palaces and oppress as usual. Had the UN acted on the first of it's resolutions, rather than not acting on the dozen or so that it issued over the years, there probably would never have been a second gulf war. We should remember Bill Clinton's December 1999 speech where he said that Saddam's weapons of mass destruction programs must be dealt with. We should remember the countless times that UN weapons inspectors were detained, prevented to look in certain areas, or simply ejected from the country, even in the weeks before the war started. Bush was no genius, but he was not the only one to blame for the war.

Wrong again dude.

UN Oil for Food 'Scandal'
Joy Gordon
Nov 18, 2004

Nov 18, 2004 | This article appeared in the December 6, 2004 edition of The Nation.
below some excerpts :

Even the CIA has reported that the bulk of the illicit transactions were "government to government agreements" between Iraq and a few other countries, for trade outside the OFF program ( Oil for Food ).

If the members of the Security Council--including the United States--failed to do their job, that is not the fault of Kofi Annan. Why didn't "the UN" do something about it? Because the Security Council--where the United States was by far the single most influential member decided it.

The largest of these arrangements was with Jordan--revenue from which totaled about $4.5 billion. This trade arrangement was the single largest source of Iraqi income outside the OFF program.

From 1990 until the OFF program began in late 1996, "Jordan was the key to Iraq's financial survival," according to the report. Why didn't "the UN" do something about it? Because the Security Council--where the United States was by far the single most influential member--decided in May 1991 that no action would be taken to interfere in Iraq's trade with Jordan, America's closest ally in the Arab world.

Likewise, the maritime smuggling that took place under the nose of "the UN" in fact took place under the nose of something called the Multinational Interception Force, a group of member nations that responded to the general invitation of the Security Council for nations to interdict Iraqi smuggling. The "UN" Multinational Interception Force turns out to have consisted almost entirely of the US Navy. The commander of the MIF was at every point, from 1991 to 2003, a rear admiral or vice admiral from the US Fifth Fleet.

The rest of your rant is equally ridiculous dude, the UN functioned exactly like the US wanted it do the majority of the time as a 'dupe' of US foriegn policy.
John Negroponte a former US Deputy Secretary of State and Director of National Intelligence and Bush administration appointee has a lot more experience with the UN and Iraq than you do - gives a totally different view on the OFF program ( Oil for Food ) below.



The Oil-for-Food Scandal
What happened, and who's to blame.
By Michael Crowley , Slate
Updated Fri, Dec. 17, 2004

excerpt from article:

Former Bush Administration appointee John Negroponte as U.S. permanent representative to the UN from 2001 to 2004, and was ambassador to Iraq from June 2004 to April 2005 explained the program largely met its goal of "creating a system to address the humanitarian needs of the Iraqi civilian population, while maintaining strict sanctions enforcement of items that Saddam Hussein could use to rearm or reconstitute his WMD program." The program did save lives: Average daily calorie intake nearly doubled in Iraq from 1996 to 2002.

And Saddam never reconstituted the nuclear weapons program that was the ostensible reason for last year's invasion. The greatest tragedy of the oil-for-food program may be that, for all its Byzantine corruption, we never realized just how effective it was.

[Ryzorian]

Oh, I know it's about the oil, I'm all in favor of shoveing the idiot lybians out of the way and just takeing the oil. It would be far more honest than this crap we are doing now, and the Middle east would actually respect us more for doing so.

Kozyra; "Facts" about things that happened 4000 plus years ago are all subjective anyway. Either the holy texts are acurate or they aren't. However, remember, if some are incorrect, then most likely all of them are and no one is telling the truth.

So here is the real truth. Possesion is 9/10's of the law, if you possess the land and can hold it from those would claim it...it's yours. Isreal has been able to hold if from repeated invasion, thus it is theirs. If the palistians want it, then they have to win it, if they can't do that, then they can't have it.

[termogard]

RPG 'field training'

[Kozyra]

Originally Posted by termogard

RPG 'field training'

Rebels don't have an influential weapons

[termogard]

Originally Posted by Kozyra

Rebels don't have an influential weapons

I guess that even regular libyan army is a sort of rebells for NATO aggressors

[Kozyra]

Originally Posted by termogard

I guess that even regular libyan army is a sort of rebells for NATO aggressors

hehehe......
yeah true , They can be easily destroy Gaddafi, but they need to so-called "international legitimacy", in order to deceive the peoples of the world, as they did in Iraq