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What are some of the topics that is openly discussed in Western cultures but "awkward" and "prohibited" in Japan?

One thing I notice is the topic around sex, or just the idea of it. I can openly talk about sex, porn, strip joints or anything like that in front of my friends and family here in Canada, I would even discuss girls' body and what they are "showing" with my wife...

But in Japan, my uncle would give me a hard time just for saying "sukebe"
Sex, porn, and strip clubs are not openly discussed in my corner of the US.
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Sex, porn, and strip clubs are not openly discussed in my corner of the US.
Maybe I shoulnt use "openly", but it's not something that people feel too strongly about
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Maybe I shoulnt use "openly", but it's not something that people feel too strongly about
Interesting. Sex, porn and strippers are topics people feel pretty strongly about down here.
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Interesting. Sex, porn and strippers are topics people feel pretty strongly about down here.
Not in my corner of US, MMM...


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Not in my corner of US, MMM...
So you and your friends and family talk frankly about sex and pornography?
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So you and your friends and family talk frankly about sex and pornography?
My friends do, some members of family are a bit more open about it, yes.
I usually dont participate unless I know the person enough or can make jokes about it.
But in the schools here, you will hear of it being spoken. Remember in America, not one story accounts for all ^^
Edit; I mean colleges, before I realized Schools could account for it often.

Also I hear things on the local bus I can never unhear again.../shiver


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My friends do, some members of family are a bit more open about it, yes.
I usually dont participate unless I know the person enough or can make jokes about it.
But in the schools here, you will hear of it being spoken. Remember in America, not one story accounts for all ^^
Edit; I mean colleges, before I realized Schools could account for it often.

Also I hear things on the local bus I can never unhear again.../shiver
I never said that all of America is the same, and that's why I said "in my corner".

I had a friend who was recently divorced, and part of the reason for the divorce had to do with fantasies he and his wife had. Sometimes fantasies should remain simply that: fantasy. Living out the fantasy eventually led to the divorce. He talked very open and frankly about it to me and most of his close friends, and I have to say everyone sitting at the table felt extremely uncomfortable hearing details about his sexual fantasies.

And remember: making jokes is a defense mechanism when something is uncomfortable.
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I think it is less cultural and more of a generational thing. For example, on Facebook people over the age of thirty average 200 "friends", but those under 25 average 1000+ "friends". Friendship means different things to different people. I saw you mentioned something about having 250 actual friends at home (I may be mistaken). I cannot imagine trying to manage or feel connected to that many actual people.

If you were to quantify my relationships you would see a lot of superficial ones, a fair amount of actual friends and a small number of truly close relationships. I can't really imagine having more close relationships than fingers.
Sorry for bringing this up again, I've been sleeping and working since you posted your reply. I think I go to bed when you start posting quite often ><

I'll just give some vague definitions of what I consider to be acquaintance (superficial ones), (actual) friends, and (truly) close friends.
To me,
- an acquaintance is just someone I know of by name and have hung out with a few times, someone who I feel could become a friend if I spent more time with them, or someone who I would prefer to keep as an acquaintance because I don't usually want to see them one on one
- a friend is someone I would help if they were having troubles, someone whose life I take an interest in, and earnestly look forward to seeing again, though I may not keep in contact regularly, when we see each other we pick up where we left off
- a close friend is someone for who I'd drop whatever I was doing, like leave work suddenly, and rush to the hospital if they got hurt. I would fly back to Canada for a close friend's wedding, not just a regular friend, unless it was convenient and lined up with other stuff, many birds with one stone kind of thing.

If a close friend got into something destructive, hard drug use or the like, I'd gladly spend most of my free time trying to help that friend, and take holidays off work to be there in the worst of those times.
For a regular friend I'd be there to talk often, and of course wouldn't abandon my friendship because of the habit, but would make sure that my own life didn't get drawn into it so keeping some distance would be necessary. It would keep me up at night though, thinking and empathizing.
I'd not think twice about an acquaintance destroying his life, more of an "is that so... shame, guess he's not invited to the party next month"

By those definitions, I easily have over 500 acquaintances, probably much more, around 200 friends, and around 20-30 close friends.
I know that I have a few more close friends and friends than many people by those standards by virtue of my having lived in many many places, Sannomiya is my 18th city. And that people who spend their lives in one town tend to have maybe a quarter that.

If what I wrote so far seems kind of usual in western culture, then so far so good.
I feel that Japanese people in the same age-group, will be surprised at these figures, and the definitions of the groups, they might feel like these numbers are greater than they've experienced in Japan.
I feel that Japanese people will be rather surprised at how often westerners spend time with friends, and the depth of conversation they have with friends.
I feel that Japanese people will be overwhelmed by how much westerners open up to friends, how honest they are.

I feel it's not uncommon for Japanese people to use tatemae with their closer friends, and it's expected with regular friends. Where as I expect it with acquantances but not with friends, and certainly not with close friends, that would even be insulting.


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06-20-2011, 04:46 AM

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Sex, porn, and strip clubs are not openly discussed in my corner of the US.
I believe that it depends far far more on the demographic of the people present whether or not these topics are okay, absolutely regardless of the country.
There are a great many people in Japan with which you should never discuss these things, and then just as many with which it's fine to do so. The same goes for any country.

That said, sex doesn't have the taboo or negative stigma associated with it that westerners do.
Also religion and politics are easier to talk about with anyone without having to worry about getting into a heated debate.


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