JF - Classy no more

[godwine]

Originally Posted by RickOShay

Dude, how many people enter the country with the soul purpose of getting laid? I have lived over here 7 years and met lots of white/black foreigners, and none of them were some sort of animal looking to bang a different J-girl every night. Did they want to maybe get a girlfriend or be have some sort of sex life, of course, what what guy doesn't? Is it then their fault that 99% of the potential girls out there for them to date just happen to be Japanese?? I mean being in Japan and all.. who would think??

Anyway my point here is the vast majority of people who come to Japan to live for any amount of time do NOT think this way. If anyone does think this way they are probably tourists, and the fact is when people go on vacation, fun crazy adventures tend to be on the mind.

Additionally, and no offense, but Japan, as well as many Asian countries are not exactly shy about the sexual service places they offer. I think the idea of being able to get a cheap blow job, and not go to jail for it could be another thing that brings "that" kind of person to Asia. The fact is to a lot of Westerners, Asia is still pretty exotic, and with the rep some places have for services, and more open sexuality.. is it any wonder there is a crowd of white guys out there that see Asian girls as a fun fantasy lay?

But the bottom line is they are young horny idiots, and if this really at the heart of what is bothering you about white guys being with J-girls, then just ignore them cuz the white guys out there just trying to use Japanese girls for sex in Japan are not the majority.

This was covered in my conversation with James. I wasn't talking about the people that got a job there, move there and things happened naturally. As I said, i respect people who got hitched with Japanese after learning about the culture and the people.

I am talking about the people who jump into this forum talking about nothing but the possibilites of going to Jpan to get laid. Threads like that do not exsit, but if you read between the lines, thats all that these guys are talking about.

[glowsilver]

Originally Posted by godwine

Agree to "Takes 2 to tango", but as Nyorin pointed out, the girls that prefer a foreigner "treatment" only contribute to a very small percentage of Japanese Women, so this small group end up being passed around the circle, as a results, the foreigners that have firs hand experience with these girls go home expressing the idea that "japanese girls are easy"

I've noticed however that there seems to be two contrasting ideas underlying such posts, not just on here but on any site where guys post about Japanese women:

Idea #1: Japanese women are sexual dynamite, unlike those nasty frigid women in the west (and probably everywhere else in the world.) They can all perform like porn stars on cue and Japan is a sexual paradise because the women don't have horrible stuffy Judeo-Christian ideas about sex being for committed relationships.

Idea #2: Japanese women are so much more classy and respectable than those American skanks. They don't dress like sluts or sleep with too many men, and they are excellent wife material. The poster would like to marry one - but not before he's slept with a few dozen of them, just in case he gets bored.

[OHayou]

Originally Posted by StonerPenguin

Just because other people do it doesn't make it right. Seriously, let's apply that logic elsewhere... "I don't know why you're so upset, lots of girls get drugged and raped at bars." That's bullshit. If you're going to a country specifically to have sex with the women there, you're a douche-bag milkshake. Other guys who do the same thing are also douchebag milkshakes.
'Nuff said.

Well, I agree that it's not honorable to have all kinds of crazy, awesome sex with a lot of girls mainly....because I just don't know how to trick you girls into that sort of thing. lol

I like the fact you don't agree with casual sex (because I'm the same way so I'm already fond of you! ) but just because we don't agree with casual sex doesn't make it inherently wrong to someone else. Though drugging and raping is (or should be) inherently wrong so I don't think you can compare casual sex (which a lot of people agree is right but also a lot of people agree is wrong) with drugging and raping a girl (which 98% of the world would agree is wrong.) I just made up that 98% but I'm sure its around there! (or it should be)

[OHayou]

Originally Posted by godwine

Becaue this is JF, and the focus is on Japan and its people??

Yeah I know and MisaMisa () said the same thing BUT this is something that happens in every part of the world.

It's like saying ... there are rude people in Japan.. "what?!" Yeah there are..we need to stop them! This is terrible! or like .. in Japan there are people who steal .. "WHAT!?" Yeah...I know right? We need to stop these people.

Thats fine to get worked up over universal problems like these but if you don't have a solution then some times you need to let go! lol

Also, just a FYI: Girls love sex as much as guys but there are more consequences (being called a "whore" or how about getting pregnant) to worry about than a guy. When you think Japanese girls are beyond having a one night stand with a man (let alone a foreigner) you are putting them on a pedestal just like the lust-hungry foreign men who take advantage of the innocent, sweet, and pure Japanese woman who never thought about sex until the huge hairy barbarian laid his hand upon her small shoulder.

[Nyororin]

Originally Posted by OHayou

When you think Japanese girls are beyond having a one night stand with a man (let alone a foreigner) you are putting them on a pedestal just like the lust-hungry foreign men who take advantage of the innocent, sweet, and pure Japanese woman who never thought about sex until the huge hairy barbarian laid his hand upon her small shoulder.

I think that you (and a couple others) are off a bit on the meaning of this thread.
It is - from what I can make of it - a direct response to a specific set of posts by specific users. You know, the ones that can`t stop talking about how much they want to screw Japanese girls because they`re Japanese... And they`ve seen so many Japanese pornos... etc etc

Or the threads asking things like "Hey, I am taking a week trip to Tokyo! How easy will it be for me to pick up a new girl every night? Is it true that they offer to blow you as soon as they spot you in the airport!??! Man, I`ve been waiting my whole life for this!!"

If you aren`t aware of the original posts that prompted this... I am sure the thread has a different tone.

[StonerPenguin]

Originally Posted by OHayou

Well, I agree that it's not honorable to have all kinds of crazy, awesome sex with a lot of girls mainly....because I just don't know how to trick you girls into that sort of thing. lol

I like the fact you don't agree with casual sex (because I'm the same way so I'm already fond of you! ) but just because we don't agree with casual sex doesn't make it inherently wrong to someone else. Though drugging and raping is (or should be) inherently wrong so I don't think you can compare casual sex (which a lot of people agree is right but also a lot of people agree is wrong) with drugging and raping a girl (which 98% of the world would agree is wrong.) I just made up that 98% but I'm sure its around there! (or it should be)

Casual sex...? I thought we were talking about sex tourism. Guys coming to a country specifically to have sex with its women. I do find sex tourism and the mentality that accompanies unnerving. I think it's some horrible combination of racism and sexism that allows sex tourists to view people of certain countries as a commodity for them to use as "customers". They don't view them as individuals, they see them as an undeviating object to fulfill their expectations -- "A Latina", "An Asian girl" or whatever.

I've read posts from guys claiming that you didn't need to be able to communicate with Japanese women to have sex with them. Because supposedly Japanese women so polite and submissive that men could just physically force them to do whatever they wanted consequence-free. I've also seen similar things written about Russian women. Surely this is wrong? And before you think I'm getting my feminist pants on; Guys who travel to Third world countries to bang pretty boys ain't right either.

[StonerPenguin]

Originally Posted by Nyororin

I think that you (and a couple others) are off a bit on the meaning of this thread.
It is - from what I can make of it - a direct response to a specific set of posts by specific users. You know, the ones that can`t stop talking about how much they want to screw Japanese girls because they`re Japanese... And they`ve seen so many Japanese pornos... etc etc

Or the threads asking things like "Hey, I am taking a week trip to Tokyo! How easy will it be for me to pick up a new girl every night? Is it true that they offer to blow you as soon as they spot you in the airport!??! Man, I`ve been waiting my whole life for this!!"

If you aren`t aware of the original posts that prompted this... I am sure the thread has a different tone.

Oh my god, THIS. D: Seriously, I'm getting tired of seeing those retarded posts... Thank you for clarifying Nyororin.

[OHayou]

Originally Posted by Nyororin

I think that you (and a couple others) are off a bit on the meaning of this thread.
It is - from what I can make of it - a direct response to a specific set of posts by specific users. You know, the ones that can`t stop talking about how much they want to screw Japanese girls because they`re Japanese... And they`ve seen so many Japanese pornos... etc etc

Or the threads asking things like "Hey, I am taking a week trip to Tokyo! How easy will it be for me to pick up a new girl every night? Is it true that they offer to blow you as soon as they spot you in the airport!??! Man, I`ve been waiting my whole life for this!!"

If you aren`t aware of the original posts that prompted this... I am sure the thread has a different tone.

LOL @ your examples of what guys say. It's hilarious and probably not too far off the mark either.

Yeah, I agree with you when you say "If you aren't aware...the thread has a different tone" and feel that the original post would have been interpreted better as a reply to people who say these things.

Thanks for setting me straight and love your wit!

[OHayou]

Originally Posted by StonerPenguin

Casual sex...? I thought we were talking about sex tourism. Guys coming to a country specifically to have sex with its women. [snip]

I've read posts from guys claiming that you didn't need to be able to communicate with Japanese women to have sex with them. Because supposedly Japanese women so polite and submissive that men could just physically force them to do whatever they wanted consequence-free. I've also seen similar things written about Russian women. Surely this is wrong? And before you think I'm getting my feminist pants on; Guys who travel to Third world countries to bang pretty boys ain't right either.

Yeah, I agree with you entirely. It's great to chat with such a clear headed person! Sex tourism is bad. Men who manipulate and physically force foreign women to do whatever they want are criminal.

lol @ "getting your feminist pants on; guys who....."

That made my night and I had a great night so that's saying something!

[Umihito]

About the problem of deciding where to live... (a little off topic, sorry, but seems as Nyororin mentioned it on this thread, I'll ask here)

I would have thought that that wouldn't be that big an issue... I mean, if the foreigner goes to Japan for a long period in the first place, then surely he/she must be open to the idea of living in Japan, especially if he/she goes as far as committing to a relationship.

I may just be saying this from the kinds of people I encounter on the internet who really want to live in Japan, but still, I wouldn't have thought that the foreigner would go to all that trouble of getting into a relationship in another country... blind to the fact that he'll/she'll have to go through a heck lot more trouble deciding where to live, if they don't even plan on staying in Japan!

Originally Posted by Nyororin

In the end, if the only reason you are with someone is because they are Asian, you`re still going to look bad. Not pointing at you when saying this, but there are some people who think that because they have decided that as they are only attracted to Asian women/men and want to not only have sex with them but to "have a relationship" with them... They are somehow better than anyone else who is sexually attracted to Asians.

I don`t get why people can`t just be attracted to PEOPLE and not race or nationality, but apparently this is not something that they think about. I certainly wouldn`t have turned my nose up at my husband if he had been some other race or nationality.

I wish so much that a lot more people could see this especially.

Originally Posted by MissMisa

I wouldn't like to judge them all, but I do get pissed off when guys I know (all the anime nerds) say that asian girls are superior. Maybe I just take it personally, but to say that my race is a factor in how awesome I am (joke), I find annoying, hah. It's almost like saying 'No matter what you do, you will never be as good as an average asian girl.' Though to be honest I'm kinda used to hearin' it from all the nerdy anime guys now.

Woah, I must be honest and say I never thought of it this way for some reason until you said it like that. Now I can see that it really is a pretty big racist thing to imply!