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08-15-2011, 01:30 AM

You could get run over by a truck next week - which wold make it fairly moot worrying about getting cancer ten years from now. Let's face it, life doesn't come with a warranty. Doesn't mean you have to go on a fishing trip near the outflow valves of the Fukushima plant. Doesn't mean you have to hide under your bed till doomsday either...

Sarkasm aside, you have to weigh risks vs. benefits for yourself. Gathering infromation is part of that risk assessment. Take everything the government - any government - tells you with a grain of salt. As pointed out by other posters, politics and big bidness are often intertwined in ways that aren't always beneficiary to the public as a whole, but that problem is not just limited to Japan. Bikini Atoll, La Hague, Sellafield, Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, you name it, unless you have a degree in nuclear physics and a lab full of fancy equipment you won't be able to find out if, or to what extent you're getting fed b...t by the powers that be.

Get a Geiger counter, get a dosimeter, keep in mind that there's always a certain level of natural radiation. Those two gadgets will help you to steer clear of hot spots and keep track of your personal irradiation level, but they won't tell you a thing about cancer. There's dozens of different isotopes, with varying degrees of activity, with varying carcinogenic properties.
Sorting that out could easily fill a library shelf, and it still doesn't guarantee you anything. Heck, I've known people who never touched a cigarette in their live and died of lung cancer, I also known folks who smoked like factory chimney and lived to a ripe old age...
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08-15-2011, 03:20 AM

All right, if you pick fresh veggies out of your yard, and they glow in the dark...Don't eat them......geez. Other than that I wouldn't worry about it.
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08-15-2011, 04:24 AM

i do not know if this is true or not.

Japan government prepares plan to flee Tokyo - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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08-15-2011, 07:14 AM

That article about "fleeing" Tokyo has become a bit famous around the net as an example of extremely misleading, fear mongering journalism... Not to mention irresponsible. It has been reported numerous times to journalism authorities, and right now there is actually a movement to get them to remove the outright fabricated title.

The government has been planning on a secondary base to move the government to in the event of a catastrophic event for the past 30 some years. Every country has these plans. Japan has not suddenly started looking into this after the earthquake or for reasons to do with radiation. It is a normal government thing to plan for a situation where the capital is no longer able to be used safely.
There have been various candidates put out on the table of the past so many years, but they don't like to actually make their plans clear lest the new base of operations be put in danger also in a war situation.

I would be flat out shocked if there was any country out there that did not have plans in place for what to do if the capital suffered a horrible event. It would be stupid not to.

What is even more pathetic is that there wasn't even any new movement related to this. Journalists dug up the simple fact that the Japanese government has a "backup" plan for a new capital and decided to make it into a sensationalist story.

Out of REAL news, I guess.


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08-15-2011, 11:41 AM

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Journalists dug up the simple fact that the Japanese government has a "backup" plan for a new capital and decided to make it into a sensationalist story.

Out of REAL news, I guess.

As I said: Take anything the governemnt - any government - tells you with a grain of salt.

Maybe I should add : Take anything the journalists - any journalist - tells you with a pound of salt.
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08-15-2011, 03:41 PM

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That article about "fleeing" Tokyo has become a bit famous around the net as an example of extremely misleading, fear mongering journalism... Not to mention irresponsible. It has been reported numerous times to journalism authorities, and right now there is actually a movement to get them to remove the outright fabricated title.

The government has been planning on a secondary base to move the government to in the event of a catastrophic event for the past 30 some years. Every country has these plans. Japan has not suddenly started looking into this after the earthquake or for reasons to do with radiation. It is a normal government thing to plan for a situation where the capital is no longer able to be used safely.
There have been various candidates put out on the table of the past so many years, but they don't like to actually make their plans clear lest the new base of operations be put in danger also in a war situation.

I would be flat out shocked if there was any country out there that did not have plans in place for what to do if the capital suffered a horrible event. It would be stupid not to.

What is even more pathetic is that there wasn't even any new movement related to this. Journalists dug up the simple fact that the Japanese government has a "backup" plan for a new capital and decided to make it into a sensationalist story.

Out of REAL news, I guess.
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08-15-2011, 07:49 PM

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That article about "fleeing" Tokyo has become a bit famous around the net as an example of extremely misleading, fear mongering journalism... Not to mention irresponsible. It has been reported numerous times to journalism authorities, and right now there is actually a movement to get them to remove the outright fabricated title.

The government has been planning on a secondary base to move the government to in the event of a catastrophic event for the past 30 some years. Every country has these plans. Japan has not suddenly started looking into this after the earthquake or for reasons to do with radiation. It is a normal government thing to plan for a situation where the capital is no longer able to be used safely.
There have been various candidates put out on the table of the past so many years, but they don't like to actually make their plans clear lest the new base of operations be put in danger also in a war situation.

I would be flat out shocked if there was any country out there that did not have plans in place for what to do if the capital suffered a horrible event. It would be stupid not to.

What is even more pathetic is that there wasn't even any new movement related to this. Journalists dug up the simple fact that the Japanese government has a "backup" plan for a new capital and decided to make it into a sensationalist story.

Out of REAL news, I guess.
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08-15-2011, 08:06 PM

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You could get run over by a truck next week - which wold make it fairly moot worrying about getting cancer ten years from now.
I did read the whole post with a thought, but I still wouldn't go that road. One might have "who cares, let's enjoy life!" attitude now, but in ten years one might have a family and kids. For most people, life still continues after several years. Hell, I've already had four of those "ten years later..." thingies. I have no interest in dying of cancer, and the risk of radiation related cancer kind of grows substantially when living near a nuclear accident site and having a government who has new clothes.
Sure, you can get hit by a truck next week. Especially true for people who continue to walk in the middle of the road despite seeing headlights.
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08-15-2011, 08:23 PM

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You could get run over by a truck next week - which wold make it fairly moot worrying about getting cancer ten years from now. Let's face it, life doesn't come with a warranty. Doesn't mean you have to go on a fishing trip near the outflow valves of the Fukushima plant. Doesn't mean you have to hide under your bed till doomsday either...

Sarkasm aside, you have to weigh risks vs. benefits for yourself. Gathering infromation is part of that risk assessment. Take everything the government - any government - tells you with a grain of salt. As pointed out by other posters, politics and big bidness are often intertwined in ways that aren't always beneficiary to the public as a whole, but that problem is not just limited to Japan. Bikini Atoll, La Hague, Sellafield, Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, you name it, unless you have a degree in nuclear physics and a lab full of fancy equipment you won't be able to find out if, or to what extent you're getting fed b...t by the powers that be.

Get a Geiger counter, get a dosimeter, keep in mind that there's always a certain level of natural radiation. Those two gadgets will help you to steer clear of hot spots and keep track of your personal irradiation level, but they won't tell you a thing about cancer. There's dozens of different isotopes, with varying degrees of activity, with varying carcinogenic properties.
Sorting that out could easily fill a library shelf, and it still doesn't guarantee you anything. Heck, I've known people who never touched a cigarette in their live and died of lung cancer, I also known folks who smoked like factory chimney and lived to a ripe old age...
Yes, i get the point. Don't you get... how to say, getting yourself killed? I mean there is a chance that is perfect (assume is perfect), and you got life shorten because of radiation. Don't you get worried? After all once exposure to internal (man-made) radiation, it is basically the beginning of painful dead (I know everyone will get old and die one day) but what I am trying to say is man-made radiation is not the same as natural radiation which our body can deal with it harmlessly.

And cesium has such a long half-life. The teas in Shizuoka were contaminated but does that mean the soil are also contaminated? Does removing the top soil which lowers the radiation concentration means the future teas will not be contaminated?

Man-made radiation accumlates in the body. If the govt. does not report radiation on certain food which it was actually contaminated, you will be accumlating man-made radiation in your body. And these man-made radiation won't go away unlike natural radiation. You guys are currently in Japan making a living. But it sounds it is alright for you to accumlate radiation in your body.

I am not saying that we are to be unfair to those who honestly produced products free of contamination. I agree even with geigar counter, it does not really guarantee anything (may even give false impression if used wrongly or human error) but Japan is so huge. The govt. does not check every single grain of food or rice but through random checking isn't it?

Or just simply trust the govt. They say don't eat, you don't eat. Nothing else reported, you eat. How about seafood? Western Japan and south of it, their seafood does not always come from Sea of Japan right? there is bound to have fishes from Pacific ocean. The contamination of the sea is still not 100% confirmed due to ever changing currents.

Rice? (okay, rice I guess we wait for August & September results?)

Overall, can we trust the current govt. on food safety? Particularly preventing the contaminated food going into the market. Will food safety resume back to pre-fukushima nuclear days, in which apart from worrying E.coil or other stuff, radiation free food safety?

Even until today, Chernobyl caused contamination is still found in food in europe (which of course they banned). 5 years down the road (maybe a big too far of prediction) can Japan govt. regain the radiation-free food safety?
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08-15-2011, 08:25 PM

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All right, if you pick fresh veggies out of your yard, and they glow in the dark...Don't eat them......geez. Other than that I wouldn't worry about it.
Of course like in recent China meat scandal. But wait, man-made nuclear contamination glows? Are you sure radiation can be seen in the dark by seeing it glows?
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