Patriotism

[evanny]

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

No doubt if there was another world war then there would be no choice-- Men would be called up to fight

no one will be called when world war 3 starts. for the simple reason that 5 minutes after it has started it will be over.


P.S OsakaBlue - there is no right or wrong side in war. or anywhere for that matter. or do you really believe that american soldiers are righteous warriors ? since they invaded a country which hadn't killed a single USA citizen before that?

there is no right or wrong side and there never will be. only a species with "baseball caps and machine-guns" fighting for useless shit.

[OsakaBlue]

Originally Posted by dxr

Ouch. Did you not try the "no, I'm Canadian" route?

At any rate, that sucks. But still kind of fascinating in a way.

Yeah, actually a few times I did do that. Or I'd fake a really bad English accent and say I was from England.

[DragonNL]

Originally Posted by OsakaBlue

You're pro-peace (which is great) but also believe if peace could be achieved without war, it would have been done so centuries ago.

Ofcourse not. Peace isn't achieved without war centuries ago because war was around all the time.

Originally Posted by OsakaBlue

You also think joining the military is foolish. You also think people who think they're protected and don't join the military are just as foolish as their enemy aggressors. So, what are you doing then? You're not in the military but do you think you're protected or do you think you're just as foolish as your enemy aggressors? Or do you not have a military or an enemy?

The Dutch people don't need to be protected because the Dutch goverment isn't looking for a fight. Even if our goverment wants to get involved in a war, we are not allowed to do anything exept for caring for wounded civilians and things like that. The Dutch know how to achieve peace, we are one of the first, if not the first with a real spiritual political group (MenS). The other older political groups in our country are generaly smart enough not to attack anyone, but MenS takes the wisdom much further.
And I already said what I personaly do. I'm trying to help people in other parts of the world. On various ways.

Also Holland is a generous and philanthropic country. But still MenS thinks we are spending too much on military power and too little on humanitarian organisations. And I agree.

[Ryzorian]

Holland was used as a "shortcut" by Germany dureing ww2 cause they were wusses. You can whitewash it all you like, but history is history. War is used because war works, it's the most effective way of getting what your country wants, end of story. That's why everybody powerful uses it.

WW3 will last much longer than three minutes evanny; our anti missle system is very efective. plue we have a kill rate of 1500 to 1...wich will allow us to fight the vast hords of china and still win. Hasn't anyone noticed the weapons we have been building of late are designed to kill lots fast?

[evanny]

Ryozorin. are you retarded? because i can't find any other reason for the stupidity that is your post.
1. LOOOOOOOL. war no.1 EFFECTIVE?!! method? are you joking? war is action favoured by fools because IT IS SO INEFFECTIVE!!!!
2. kill ratio 1.1500? LOL. and even if so, probably that is because you guys have a war once every 20 years! and only people you fight are brown/ asian people and their underdeveloped countries. btw your friendly fire is 14 to 100. i guess americans shoot themselves better than the enemy.
3. again. are you retarded? usa has 6 000 nukes. russians 6 000+. china and the rest go from 300 to 50. does your brain understand that even if 1% of them touch the earth, everything is over? or do you think that americas defences are so perfect (9/11?) that nothing will harm her?

[MMM]

Insults will not be tolerated. Argue like adults, or the thread goes bye-bye.

[DragonNL]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Holland was used as a "shortcut" by Germany dureing ww2 cause they were wusses. You can whitewash it all you like, but history is history. War is used because war works, it's the most effective way of getting what your country wants, end of story. That's why everybody powerful uses it.

WW3 will last much longer than three minutes evanny; our anti missle system is very efective. plue we have a kill rate of 1500 to 1...wich will allow us to fight the vast hords of china and still win. Hasn't anyone noticed the weapons we have been building of late are designed to kill lots fast?

I'm not whitewashing anything. I'm just telling the truth.

And do you really think America has a chance against China, Russia or N-Korea? There's a reason USA avoids them...

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by evanny

no one will be called when world war 3 starts. for the simple reason that 5 minutes after it has started it will be over.

and how do you know this Evanny?

[evanny]

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

and how do you know this Evanny?

because destroying things is what humans do best.
we all know what can a single atom bomb do. now, let's take russians for example and their Tsar bomb which had 50 mega tons of TNT yield (they limited it, actually it can go over 100.) nagasiaki experienced something like 20 mt.
those where the 60's. if we could go from flying the first plane to flying a rocket ship to the moon after 60 years, i think we are sure to be able to build a bomb which could go over 1 000 mega tons in present.

but there isn't actual need for it since the nukes we have are enough.
lets say there are 20 000 of them. let's be hopeful and say 10% only hit. 200 nukes that would hit all the major cities where 50% of world's population is. then comes fallout and gets another 20% of people. but wait - there is more. our nuclear reactors. well over 500 of them. thy are bound to be hit or without anyone to oversee them - have a meltdown. we all know what that did. so. 80% dead already, 15% will die from hunger, poisons, riots since no government will be left. rest of the 5% (and that is IF there are still some left) will most likely go mad and kill each other.
also. humans are a creative bunch. lets shield our nukes with poisonous gas, so when they are shot down, the gas will leak out and make everyone bleed from their eyes. so the opposite side thinks twice which would be the better action - suffer a nuke or some awful gas.
............................
let's just say. if you want a war (and actually win, not destroy the world), your only option is to go against 3rd world country (like now) and hope they don't have hidden nukes.

[JohnBraden]

I highly doubt the next world conflict, if there is one, will be nuclear in nature. No one stands to win if it is, so what's the point of it? It will be conventional. Anyone who uses a nuke in a future conflict will not be state-sanctioned....