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because destroying things is what humans do best.
By the same stroke, we can say building things and growing things are what humans do best.
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Ofcourse not. Peace isn't achieved without war centuries ago because war was around all the time.



The Dutch people don't need to be protected because the Dutch goverment isn't looking for a fight. Even if our goverment wants to get involved in a war, we are not allowed to do anything exept for caring for wounded civilians and things like that. The Dutch know how to achieve peace, we are one of the first, if not the first with a real spiritual political group (MenS). The other older political groups in our country are generaly smart enough not to attack anyone, but MenS takes the wisdom much further.
And I already said what I personaly do. I'm trying to help people in other parts of the world. On various ways.

Also Holland is a generous and philanthropic country. But still MenS thinks we are spending too much on military power and too little on humanitarian organisations. And I agree.
Then you're in one of the fortunate countries that isn't involved with war. And no, I didn't read what you personally did to propogate peace. However the US isn't like Holland and I don't really see it being like that for centuries.
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By the same stroke, we can say building things and growing things are what humans do best.
yes we do. however those thing require knowledge, open minds and time. but it is far easier for us to simply destroy things we don't like, know or are afraid of. our history shows how we treat those things - by taking them down, even whole civilizations and races. also racism comes from it - not understanding the workings of others and simply destroying it (in case of KKK).
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There are more racists than Just KKK. Africa has them, Asia has them..they are on every continant and every country.

The claims I make about war are true, It's one of the most successful diplomatic tools ever devised. I am not going to debate the good or evil of it, that's beside the point. I'm meerly stateing that it works so very well that country's will allways consider it as an option.

As to how long WW3 would last, partly it's because everyone would know thier country was right, therefore they would fight for years. Plus, Nukes are hardly likely to be used, country's are fighting to aquire land mass and resources. Hard to attain either if everything is radioactive. At most they would be utilized for a hostage style scenario..."pay us tribute or else".

As for the American military, your talking to someone who has been in the military, was involved in Desert Storm, I have seen the actual difference between equipment and training in action. This was over 20 years ago, the military has improved dramatically since then with even better tech.

So really, who doesn't want to pick a fight with who? Pentagon is allready prepareing tactical plans for China, it's part of thier job really, finding ways to defend from all potential enemies.

OH, on a side note, the Patriot missle system is NOT and anti missle system, it was designed as an anti aircraft missle system. It just works well enough to take down slower style missles. No one has actually seen our anti missle system at work, and it does work. That's why we don't like it when North Korea keeps testing ICBM's, we don't want to reveal to China and others just how well that system works.

That's straight out of the Art of War, don't show your full hand.
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08-26-2011, 07:08 PM

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yes we do. however those thing require knowledge, open minds and time. but it is far easier for us to simply destroy things we don't like, know or are afraid of. our history shows how we treat those things - by taking them down, even whole civilizations and races. also racism comes from it - not understanding the workings of others and simply destroying it (in case of KKK).
Racism and hatred are not ingrained, but are taught. Put a black baby together with a white baby or an Asian baby and they will play together. They must be taught that they shouldn't be friends if that is one's inclination for his or her family.
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maybe it is the case where they are taught racism these days. however, there was a point when first white people met first asians, blacks and the rest of ethnicities. what was the first thing they did once they saw them - war and slavery. even now you could easily go to amazon jungle to some never seen tribe. will the first thing be mutual understanding? no. first will come fear from both sides, not knowing what to expect and looking for things that might threaten each other not help each other.

what i am trying to say is that it is in our nature to basically eat each other. like Joker said "when chips are down, these people, these civilized people will eat each other". and it doesn't take much at all for the "chips" to go down.

Ryzorian. those 14 out of 100 are today's statistics war often wastes more resources that it gains. that is why it is called action of fools. do you think your 3 trillions and deaths that war in middle east has piled up will pay off? and even if it does, do you think the gain will be enough?
and please. don't be so ignorant. just because america spends the sickest amounts of money to efficiently kill people, doesn't mean they are going to succeed. why russia or china doesn't do the same? because they know they don't have to. no matter how much americans spend, those countries still can and will put up an equal fight with the military they already have.

only reason i think why america is continuing the trend of spending is because half of its population works for the military and a lot of people would get upset if the budged would get cut. but on the other hand the same money could employ the same people in more useful jobs.

btw. i think usa doesn't go to war even thou you talk about you perfect defence systems is because of these statistics.

"Pentagon data shows that 75
percent of those aged 17 to 24 don't even qualify to take the test
because they are physically unfit, have a criminal record or didn't
graduate high school.
Nearly one-fourth of the students who try to join the
U.S. Army fail its entrance exam, painting a grim picture of an
education system that produces graduates who can't answer basic math,
science and reading questions, according to a new study released Tuesday."


so yea...can't win a war without soldiers. and Japan will get the robots first, so you are f***ed.
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08-27-2011, 12:30 AM

That's why we develope combat systems that can do more with less. I agree the education system here sucks b-lls, that's by design, it's easier to controle an uneducated mass than a educated one. I don't agree with that, but then the nobles have been trying to win back this wayward colony for 200 years.

Actually, we haven't spent three trillion on the wars, that's a fallacy, much of the spending was allready slated for defense anyhow. Plus, yes we would have benifited GREATLY from both wars if we had done what normally is done in those situations, take over, and utilize the natural resources as we see fit. Forget nation builinding, drive the locals off and take whatever we want, that's what should have been done.

Hell, Afganistan has well over 1.5 trillion in natural resources everyone knows they were never going to use. So the US should have intiated mineing operations allready. The sad fact is, China has done so while the morons in DC, "nation Build". Honestly, why bother if that's what they are going to do?
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08-27-2011, 03:55 AM

here. a video for you about costs of war.
GOOD: The Hidden Cost of War - YouTube

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08-27-2011, 04:35 AM

Less (patriotism) is more (peace).

The way this thread has developed is good evidence for that. Haven't been on for three days and now have to read about war, destruction, missile shields, kill ratios, nukes even....

Desmond Morris was right...
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Less (patriotism) is more (peace).

The way this thread has developed is good evidence for that. Haven't been on for three days and now have to read about war, destruction, missile shields, kill ratios, nukes even....

Desmond Morris was right...
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