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09-19-2011, 09:29 PM
The irrational will not listen to the voice of reason, they will only respond to propaganda. The solution is to reclaim the Bible and start an anti-Fox in a new neo-con movement for Democrats. Liberal causes has to be side lined for the time being to cater to the know-nothing crowd, otherwise democracy in the US will continue to remain hijacked by the rich elite who use the clueless as their foot soldiers and voting base.
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09-20-2011, 02:50 AM
Progessives ( liberals) are the ones who sterilzed people, tested syphilus on blacks to see how it worked and tried to wiped out the jews. All done in the name of "progress" and the advancement of humanity. I'm sorry, but I will stay with the Tea Party, cause that kinda human "progress" is not for me.
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09-21-2011, 02:42 AM
It's the truth MMM. Why do you think "Progressives" from the early 19th century changed thier name to "Liberal"? You can scarely imagine the horrors they wanted to inflict, all in the name of "Human progress". They started calling them selves "progressives" again just in last few years, thinking thier past actions have been forgotten.
Margeret Sanger, founder of "Planned Parenthood" studied ugenics in Nazi Germany. Progressives in general at the time were huge fans of Ugenics and advocated for it in the states. The whole concept of "Planned Parenthood" as Sanger invisioned it was the total population controle of races and classes deemed "undesireable" by the Progressive Upper class. It's not hard to find this information MMM the "progressives" wrote about thier "Utopian" ideals all the time.
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09-21-2011, 03:31 AM
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Shall I waste my time and list all the conservatives and libertarians in history who have had bad ideas. I could go on for weeks, and not have to dip into the 19th Century to find them. Get a real argument, and let's keep it in semi-modern times.
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09-21-2011, 04:23 AM
MMM I think we've all established for sometime now that rational debate with a person like Ryzorian is quite impossible. He is the classic example of brain dead moron that brings the US into such disrepute worldwide.
It all started of course with his delusion about god because since he'll believe wholeheartedly in such a thing, that has absolutely no proof whatsoever of it's existence, there's really nothing now he won't believe in regardless of any proof. So as long as it conforms with his ultra conservative, religious extremism he'll believe it without question (like the rest of the brain dead tea baggers). This is the problem with credulous and gullible people. Because they believe in things that have no rational or logical basis it is impossible to debate them with any rationale or logic. And since the crazy religious right in the US are masters at twisting the words in the bible to suit their agendas they are now twisting the words in things like the constitution and bill of rights to suit the tea baggers agendas. And just like he was duped into the god delusion he's ever so easily duped into the tea baggers delusions. And all without question. Halleluja!  I know we're not meant to talk about religion but there's no escaping it's influence when talking about the tea baggers.
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09-22-2011, 03:13 AM
You mean Like Your's Gonative? Your the one spewing vile and venom here, not me. In fact, one would think you hate with such passion that you would consider burning people at the stake a world benifit, as long as it was Tea Party or Christians. Go re read your post and remove the word Christian and Tea party and replace them with Black, gay or lesbian.
By the way, I've read the constitution, the Bill of rights and the federalists papers. I have a minor in US history, yet you call me delusional? The real story here, is how come You don't know this stuff? Miss that class? Forget to take the test? skip school that day? MMM; It's not just early 19th century, Progressives still believe and wish to practice the eugenics world view today. I wouldn't doubt Gonative there would like to sterilize every tea party person out there if given half a chance. For the "betterment of humanity" of course.
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09-22-2011, 05:56 AM
A certain part of any human society seems to have less ability to cut through the propaganda and understand what it is in their best interest. Over the centuries there may be less and less % of this clueless part as it continues to reduce with improved sources of and access to information.
I would say that the Ryzorian's of the world are not at fault, it is rather the arrogance of the Gonative liberal progressives who believe in the superiority of their ideas, recognize that there is this clueless part and that the Ryzorains cannot understand reality as the Gonatives understand them. Well, if they could then there would be no Ryzorian, and all would be Gonatives. According to my hypothesis of Historical Continuity, it creates disruption if we try to force a population to change and shove unpopular idea's down their throat. People must be given space and time to make voluntary changes. And planned and organized propaganda on their terms may help them make these changes a little faster. So Leo Strauss and his Neo-con's understood this well and are at the root of the rise of the right wing Christian revivalism, which gave a boost to Republican party when they were able to recruit the religious right, aka the former Southern Democrats who got upset with Democratic Party when they supported the civil rights of black African Americans. The Democrats became the loosers and they are still clueless about how to fix this problem. The solution is to start a Democratic Neo-con that will embrace religion and social conservative values and leave the cultural/social issues for the states to decide, whereas attempts should be made to unite a majority of the 98% on fiscal issues that it is good to tax the super rich, to have a minimum safety net minus the waste and abuse like Nordic Model and to have affordable or free education and nationalized healthcare etc. People can take back the power from the rich elite, but they need to organize, perhaps through social media sites and have more direct-democracy (Swiss style) organizations that will start functioning as independent groups who would then join the Democratic Party to make a change in it from within. A taste of direct democracy is now being demonstrated in the ongoing Tahrir square style protest around Wall Street. May be we can call this Democratic Christian revivalists as "What would Jesus do" crowd, who would follow true humanitarian calling of Jesus, which is also very much in collective national self interest, compared to the destructive libertarian ideas from atheist Ayn Rand. Or we can also call them Social Conservative Democrats, who would try to get the lion's share of the older white folks in both Red and Blue states, while minorities such as Blacks, Hispanics and Asians are already majority social conservatives who may support and join this group.
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