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09-22-2011, 07:05 AM

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US government tried to make an agreement with similar characteristics you said here, it's called FTAA and you probably have heard about it. What happens in South America is, anything that puts USA in a leadership position have great disapproval because of USA imperialistic politics, USA sponsored many South American dictatorships in 60's and 70's(Argentina, Brazil and Chile). While those dictatorships where being weakened, USA imperialistic influence decreased in South America. FTAA just looks like a desperate attempt to retrieve a little piece of that influence, it's completly impossible to USA be a leader of some group or agreement in South America. The only way to FTAA become true is USA accept South American countries proposals and make it a bilateral agreement instead of a unilateral and imperialistic agreement (disagreement?) to transform South America in their backyard again. Anyway, they will do a summit meeting in 2012 to decide about FTAA, but it don't looks go much far.
True the US has done much harm, but that is not unique to US, all global super powers do this and they do not like meddling from other powers in their back yard, hence we have ideas like Monroe Doctrine. It is more of a general rule for all great powers, rather than the exception.

So yes, US leadership will be perceived negatively, I agree. But not if the US can show that it has changed its mind and its global strategy, that it no longer wants to play divide and rule, but rather wants to create strong and united regional groups/unions as allies, like EU, who will be on its side, in the coming cold war with China. China and India are both just getting ready for their turn in the divide and rule imperial game.

FTAA:

Free Trade Area of the Americas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This particular one I believe has no future. I was thinking more in terms of UNASUR, with Mexico joining in it to form a Latin American Union to cover all nations of the American hemisphere minus US and Canada:

Union of South American Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Free Trade without the potential of a future political union is only for fattening the capitalist class and the poorer country, on the other hand free trade among the states of a Union that eventually want to integrate politically is beneficial for the masses as all eventually benefit from the bigger group, just as it is in cooperatives or Unions, there is strength in numbers and in unity.

The idea is to eventually integrate the Union of nations politically like United States of Latin America, United States of Europe, United States of Africa, United States of East Asia etc. UNASUR has come a long way from its beginning as smaller sub-regional FTA's. Now Mexico also wants to join. It has a common heritage with its Mestizo majority and also a common language which is Iberian (Spanish or Portuguese). It was also the dream for people like Trotsky and Che Guevara who wanted to unite Latin America so it would be easier to stand up to meddling of the Gringo from El Norte. I think uniting Latin America is as worthy a goal today as it was then, although their method and ideology has proven to be faulty. Today democracy and people power can achieve the same result, even without US leadership, but if US sides with Latin America and help it unite, on the face of the Chinese threat, then it will wash away some of its past sins, I believe.
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10-01-2011, 09:06 PM

I doubt china will, I have been watching videos about what's being going on there and it looks grim. Not to mention the fact of communism, their law about having only one child per family, and how they have pretty much killed off most of the women in china.

There is actually a video on this, China is having a population problem it seems. There is too many men being created in china, which means less women. It has gotten so bad that men have resorted to paying other men to steal women for them to rape...


China is running out of Vagina - YouTube

China running out of women

China Running Out Of Women - CBS News

This is pretty old about a few years old, but by judging from this the population of china will soon end up in the shitter. There will be too many men in the country, and less women which means that there will be no way to procreate.

That also means that there will be less workers. Which, will then lead to the demise of the chinese economy and possibly the government..


Also Japan is working with Germany right now to get their economy back on track. More over, Japan is using other intelligent ideas to fix it, it is expected that the Japanese economy will be back to more of a pre-2009 and tsunami type economy. They are also saying that Japan will then be back to number 2 and such...




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10-03-2011, 01:21 AM

I'm sure they are working behind the scenes..I know the pentagon has "contigincies" about possible conflict with China
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10-04-2011, 05:08 AM

Actually my dream is to get these folks at Rand's Santa Monica campus get all riled up, if only I could make them understand and believe in my theories and create a Democratic version of Leo Strauss and his Neo-con movement.

Or may be the OccupyWallStreet crowd will listen:
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10-05-2011, 12:57 AM

I'm not a "neo con". Neo brings back the idea of Neo Nazis, and those guys were leftest, not conservitive. Hell, "Nazi" was just a short hand form of Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party. Kinda the German form of "Soviet".

Any group who wants government to wield abslute power is a leftest group, they just have different covers to the same book. True conservitives want as little governmental intrusion as possible. IE; Leave me alone...


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10-05-2011, 07:46 PM

Then again,what are you if you want absolute power to do good things? I know Hitler thought he was doing good things but I mean things that are commonly accepted as good.
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10-05-2011, 08:15 PM

The only way I see this happening is in fiction:Chung Kuo (novel series) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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10-06-2011, 01:26 AM

Doesn't matter if you want absolute power to do "good things". Your dictateing to others what you think is good or bad, wich in itself is bad. I am an adult, I don't need big mommy telling me how to live, where to sleep, what kind of friking lightbulb I can use, nor what type of car I have to drive.

That's opression, and I will fight anyone who tries to force meagainst my will. Isn't that a basic Human right? To fight those who would force you?
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10-22-2011, 08:17 AM

Their military isn't powerful enough and they lack natural resources.


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