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03-22-2008, 03:37 AM
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03-22-2008, 04:02 AM
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Like... you're not even worth trying to explain this to you. Everything that you word down is either bullshit, some crack theory that you think is the ultimate truth and doesn't really hold nearly as much ground as you'd hope, or is just full of irrational bigotry. If you're going to hate something this much find a real reason to do so. Like fuck, this is just ridiculous. You might as well be shouting a Gihad crusader cry, you'd sound about the same. Quote:
It pisses you off when yanks try to act so superior? What do you think you and everyone else who has this set in stone all mighty final truth about the US opinion is doing? All you're doing is sitting up on a high above the clouds Olympian pedestal spitting on the US. Welcome to hypocrisy, I hope you're enjoying the stay.  Tyrien.DeviantArt~ As of 08/11/2008 5:33 PM Eastern Standard time I now officially own: Miyavi, Kyo, Yuusuke, Maya, Gou, Aki, Aoi, Jun, Yusa, Jui, Key, Heechul, Yesung, Riku, Kei, Jyou, Satoshi, Takeru, Sin, Teddyloid, ♀Yooh♂, Reo, Tomoya, Tatsuro, Hitsugi, Kyoharu, Takanori Nishikawa, Jay Chou, Hirokai, Die, Kaoru, Shinya, and Toshiya. |
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03-22-2008, 04:06 AM
I think Tenchu underestimates our military a little out of a bias from being in a different country's military.... But w/e, that's not the point.
I see the flow of discussion has again moved to the nuking of Japan in 8/45. Regardless of what Tenchu's strange sense of honour might make him say about America's "spirit" or whatever, the fact remains that dropping the two nukes was the most expedient and, indeed, least costly in terms of lives for both countries way to end that conflict. Had we used conventional weapons and tactics, as Tenchu has suggested... It would have taken millions of bombs to destroy what was left of the Japanese war machine, and probably with about the same amount of civilian casualties in the end--we didn't exactly have precision/guided bombs back then, so taking out a single factory involved about 1,000 bombs, 30 bombers, 70 escort fighters, the destruction of 200 homes, a school, two hospitals, roads, utility infrastructure and millions of dollars of damages. Why do you think London and various parts of Germany were in total shambles? CARPET BOMBING. Like smoking, it kills. That's what "Conventional" warfare entailed at that time. We would have done exactly the same thing, but instead of it taking a week, it would have taken another 6-12 months. Then, after we bombed the shit out Japan, we would have gone to a ground fight. Well, guess what? The Japanese would have drafted every last citizen in the country to fight back the invaders. Not that they would have had to, since the Japanese are very proud and would have fought us without being told to. So, again, we see the "merciless slaughtering" of civilians by the ten-thousands, only by American rifles instead of American atomic bombs. Take your pick: another year of bloody, attritious fighting or two weeks where two cities get leveled and the grand majority of those involved (soldiers, civilians in other cities, etc) walk away still breathing. It's kinda like a cortizone injection: it hurts like a mother f**ker, but the end result is better for you. I'm not saying that dropping nukes on Japan was a "good" thing to do or that it wasn't evil. I'm only saying that of the options present, it was the best, the lesser of evils. In fact, I'd say that in every war we've fought in the last century, our leadership has always tried to pick the lesser of two evils. Obviously, you get the occassional grunts who felt like being dicks and ruining the image of all their buddies by stealing something or raping someone--that shit happens in every war by every side. On the grander scale, though, we always try to expedite things. This is also true for almost everyone out there. Arguably, our current regime isn't quite so expeditious. Then again, that's just the nature of guerilla warfare. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you actually make them think, they'll hate you. ~Don Marquis Quote:
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03-22-2008, 04:11 AM
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Limiting myself to one country would be discriminating. Kinda like you are. Regardless what the word " yank" is to you or not. I'm from South America as well and Tyrien isn't and never has been a U.S citizen. There's nobody here acting like the U.S is the shit.We're simply defending their actions.  "The sky is cryin...
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03-22-2008, 04:16 AM
I just love how it's okay to toss around racial slurs and derrogetory statements around just because it's depicting a white person. Really mature.
It pisses you off when yanks try to act so superior? What do you think you and everyone else who has this set in stone all mighty final truth about the US opinion is doing? All you're doing is sitting up on a high above the clouds Olympian pedestal spitting on the US. Welcome to hypocrisy, I hope you're enjoying the stay.[/quote] Will you relax, jeez, I never meant anything wrong by it, so sorry I was just criticizing nationalism, when people say a certain country is the "best in the world" and everyone else is inferior, blindly worshiping their country without questioning... |
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03-22-2008, 04:17 AM
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Your argument really holds no ground. Tyrien.DeviantArt~ As of 08/11/2008 5:33 PM Eastern Standard time I now officially own: Miyavi, Kyo, Yuusuke, Maya, Gou, Aki, Aoi, Jun, Yusa, Jui, Key, Heechul, Yesung, Riku, Kei, Jyou, Satoshi, Takeru, Sin, Teddyloid, ♀Yooh♂, Reo, Tomoya, Tatsuro, Hitsugi, Kyoharu, Takanori Nishikawa, Jay Chou, Hirokai, Die, Kaoru, Shinya, and Toshiya. |
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03-22-2008, 04:21 AM
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Look it up. It's a terrible thing. Japan and the U.S have done terrible things. Most countries have. Some countries even do terrible things to their people. That's human nature not the U.S. "The sky is cryin...
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03-22-2008, 04:28 AM
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My point now is simply that what we've done isn't as bad as you and others are trying to make it sound. You guys are acting like because we used atomic bombs or because we've been involved in the three bloodiest wars of the last century that America is somehow the devil incarnate or some such nonsense. We don't slaughter civilians. We do NOT go out, pick some random nobodies, and shoot them in the head. We do NOT go into cities, line up two thousand non-combatants, and cut off their heads. We do NOT blah-blah. That's slaughter. That's what the Japanese did to the Chinese, what the Germans did to the Jews, what Japanese did to American soldiers, what happened in the Crusades, etc. We have never done anything like that. We dropped atomic weapons. We killed a lot of people with one explosion. The majority of them died close to instantly, not even aware that there was a problem. It was a tragedy, not a slaughter. (Slaughter is what McDonald's does to cows -_- ) Wars are part of human nature. You've said that yourself, so don't go saying "and continue fighting wars" like it's something spectactular. That's about as spectacular as you losing yourself all over your keyboard after midnight. BFD :/ . If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you actually make them think, they'll hate you. ~Don Marquis Quote:
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