Should the U.S. forces leave Japan?

[Tyrien]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Tyrien

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What you said IS there, but it is the 5th point after several all skin related. Where I come from the word race is never used in the context you speak of. I am not racist. I dislike American culture. Don't be a fuckin idiot. Saying I am racist only makes you look studpid when I am a white man with a black wife.

I find it hard to imagine what you can possibly say next to defend your countries actions. You clearly have no idea about how your military works, or what exactley the US is doing, waging wars against people for refusing to adhere to an agreement they did not sign themself, which turned out to be flawed anyway.

Regardless, at the end of the day I can always go to sleep truly believeing I am the bigger man, given I have the stomach to take a tumble rather than bear the alternative of incinerating little kiddies for my cultural and conceptual kicks of freedom and justice that really change nothing anyway. I am NOT the one who kills kids. LOL

Again you missed the whole point. In fact you even admitted to the correctness of my claims then backed into the corner trying to say that race doesn't really go beyond skin colour. I don't care what colour skin your wife has you're still a racist against the US.

I'm just going to quote something a few posts down from you to prove this a little more:

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Joly,
I said before many leaders in the past refused to kill civilians. And then Amnell; 'Well, I dunno, at least in Europe...' I said 50%, and unfortuantly it is the Europeans in most cases who have been the most barbaric of all races. From the rest of the world, the Chinese emperor was off and on, and has been 50/50 depending on the emperor or particular General at the time. The Arabs have been the best behaving, and when they converted to Islam, in most cases when a city was conquered they would do it causing as little damage with seige weapons as possible, and then when they arrived, any civilian opposed to the new rule was alowed to leave freely. Most Asian countires went through similar times. Yet all countries have had bad leaders or lords. Some more than others.

Now you say that you're not racist against the US, and try to say that it's a nation, not a skin colour yet right there you've defined Europeans as a race. As far as skin colour and looks go, Europeans and Americans are the same. You defined it as the European race even though the word just isn't defined in that context where you come from?

Sorry Tenchu, you are a racist bigot against the US. I don't care how many cute "nice" words you try and use to describe your hate, or how much you hate being called a racist but your attitude proves that every time you speak about the US.

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Not really. Think about it. The United States was not blind to the Soviet threat. Remember the Korean War? General McCarthur was pushing to use nukes. The only thing stopping the United States using nukes in Korea was the fact that the USSR had successfully tested a nuke by then.

Also how was my comment discriminatory?

And yes the invasion of Japan was necessary in a way, but not to end the war as you are claiming.... I don't think you understand the situation back then. Japan at the time was ALL BUT defeated. The United States however knew that they had to beat the Soviets to Japan.

I was mainly directing that towards your comment about americans wanting to just test out the weapon on some "yellows". Just because it's the US, doesn't mean you can't discriminate against it.

It's true Japan was basically defeated at the point, however Japan wasn't acting like it in any way. If Japan had surrendered when it should have the bombs wouldn't have been dropped at all. Fact remains dropping those bombs ended the war.

[UNaruto1990]

The fact is that the USA was actually trying their new bombs, how did I know? well the USA dropped two DIFFERENT bomb, one on Nagasaki and one on Hiroshima, but I don't know exactly what was the different but I've read it and heard it.

The fact that Japan was going down is not necciserly true, I mean yes this is what is written in history but again the winner always writes history, the histoy you're reading about WWII is just what the USA wants you to believe.

[EveV]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Well, the US has used the equililant of about 500,000 Nagasaki bombs worth of radiation in Iraq. Yet that is controversial.

Just about all American bullets, 120 mm tank shells, missiles, dumb bombs, smart bombs, 500 and 2,000 pound bombs, cruise missiles, and anything else engineered to help the US's the war against Iraq has Uranium in it.

The reason they use it is it makes ultra dense metal, good for target penetration. This is really not harmful in most cases, unless you get shot by it. If you get hit and this bullet breaks up inside you, as they do and are designed to do, then you might live if it was only to the leg, but you are going to have to put up with like being X-rayed every hour for the rest of your life. There is no way to remove the uranium from your body.

The really only risk to civilians is the fact these bullets are lieing on the streets, and the US does not clean them up. Children pick them up and play with them. If you breath too deeply, your fucked.

Another one is when the bombs explode, I imagine it is going into the air, and doing the same thing. You would see this from 'Gulf War Syndrome' that the American soldier suffered from the last war, which is a bizarre culmination of sicknesses that does APPARENTLY not match what the soldiers were exposed too. Also, in the south most provinces of Iraq after the 91 war, the amount of birth defects and cancer illnesses in the local Iraq population tripled. It is probable these figures will rise again.

This is not really nukeing, but it IS making people sick. Just as usual, the US does not give a fuck, they just want the better bullets and fuck the people.

They do use chemicals as well. I know they do, mostly in their mortar rounds. The most common one used is White Phosphorus. I know they have it, we had it in the Australian Infantry. It is illegal, but a few countries don't care. It is just when you train to use it they tell you if you talk about it you will be charged. If you Google it you'll find stories they used it in Iraq. It incinerates people. If the gas hits you, your fucked, it is like acid. What it actually does is it can be launched in a mortar or bomb, when the bomb explodes the gas goes everywhere, when it is exposed to air, it heats like fire.

I dont think you guys understand, what they tell you and what they do are two different things. When I was in the Infantry I was trained in a method of riot control that is illegal coz it uses excessive force, but the Government had ordered the Army to train in it for the Timor operation, where the enemies really are mostly disgruntled civilians who needed a good beating. I trained to use chemicals, not just white phos, but other gases as well. It was all illegal.

Might I say by illegal I mean 'Protocol III of Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons' by the UN, which the US did not sign...

You also might be interested in MK77. The new version of the napalm bomb. Technically, it is not the napalm used in Vietnam, because it is made of different substances. But what that means is they have just found different chemicals to do the same thing. The effect has less impact on the enviroment, they say, but more impact on people, and it burns much better and much longer... They are using this bomb in Iraq. And they soldiers refer to it as napalm coz it IS the same.

- You know, when you hear things like this, the US is worried someone is violating a protocol that they themself refused to sign. A bit odd, no?

American War Crimes by idiotbush -- Revver Online Video Sharing Network



Watch this documentry. It is long, but it shows chemical weapons were used by the US directly on civilians in the Iraq war, both the ones I mentioned, WP and MK77.

Now are you going to say same like Japan, they had no other choice, and bombing the Iraqi cities like this saved lives compared to the alternative? In both cases, but esp. Iraq, the war was a push over, Iraq was an easy war to win, yet with the option of killing thousands of civilians in stead of the risk of loosing a few dozen of their own soldiers, they took it.

For the number. I don't like the war in Iraq and don't believe we belong.
I haven't since day one. I've protested and written letters. regardless of this work, it hasn't stopped and never well. Cliton left the door open for Bush to push the button. " I'll get it ready. You do it."
Bush and his fellow slaves do not listen to the people. Because the people want to be out of the Iraq and have for a very long time now.
Notice his response, " So?" YouTube - Cheney doesn't care 2/3 of America thinks the war is wrong

Originally Posted by Tenchu

I find it hard to imagine what you can possibly say next to defend your countries actions. You clearly have no idea about how your military works, or what exactley the US is doing, waging wars against people for refusing to adhere to an agreement they did not sign themself, which turned out to be flawed anyway.

Regardless, at the end of the day I can always go to sleep truly believeing I am the bigger man, given I have the stomach to take a tumble rather than bear the alternative of incinerating little kiddies for my cultural and conceptual kicks of freedom and justice that really change nothing anyway. I am NOT the one who kills kids. LOL

Once again.
Tyrien = Not american.

Wow. You can sleep better because you're the " bigger man"
I'm very surprised by this. A " Bigger man" Is one who acts on his words. Have you protested or written letters or anything of that sort. Or do you stick to explaining war tacts to 14 year olds on forums?
" Ah ha, I know about people dying but I don't have to do anything about it because it's not my country or me doing it! "
Give me a break. That's the most childish bullshit ever.
You're just as fucking guilty as " arrogant Americans" no matter how much knowledge you have if it's not put to us, it's nothing. If I were you I'd be using it for the good of those dying kids, hey you might even get into a few of their pants. Fucking bigot.

[Tyrien]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Dislikeing US culture an attitude is not racism. Racism has to be unreasonable, stupid. I just dont like peoples personalitys. That is not racist you idiot.

Europeans. I am European. I mean dark age and fuedal age europe. The men there, the crusaders the vikings. They are what you call europeans, because they all live in europe. The fog clearing? Unfortuantley, it is fact they mostly killed anything that moved in their campaigns. Well documented too. Yes, there is such a thing as a european. I did not say european race you fuck.

You dislike US culture for irrational reasons. Mainly you assume that every US citizen is a certain way from a certain breed and has a certain attitude toward the world. You assume that every US citizen supports their government's decisions and is behind what the country does 100%. You preach and scream like every US citizen IS the US government.

You are being completely irrational and unreasonable. You are a racist. You are a bigot. Have a nice day hating people just like me and you for reason other than you're told to by the media.

[EveV]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

What the fuck is your problem? Amnell is smarter than most people on this forum. She argues at an adults level. If I did not know her age I would thinkshe was in her 20's and at Uni or something.

Tell me what Amnell has to do with what I posted? Because I was talking about you not her/him and I really don't care what tactics you or him/her use to argue.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

By being the bigger man I meant I am willing to take a tumble for the good of another. I am not selfish. I see nothing wrong with that.

That's not how you sounded. You even put on icing on the cake by saying, " I'm not the one killing kiddies LOL", what does that have to do with willing to take a tumble? Sounds more like you were being a cocky selfish ass. It matters who's killing the " kiddies" but it also matters about who's preventing the "kiddies" from being killed. Brutality and terror doesn't exactly mix with someone who cares about the innocent. One big contradiction right there.
Perhaps choose better wording next time or using your own example Amnell.

[Amnell]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

LOL, no time for sleep. I am in a different country than I was in since my last post (Lao), and I still manage to out post everyone else on this forum, even with my busy life!

Lol, do you want a cookie?

Originally Posted by Tenchu

You were not impressed by the dog statement? I thought that would put you on the back foot for good. Well, it is clear now you will not change. I think it is clear now you will never change. I believe all people can think the same as me, but it has to be learned hard, and taught through training and experience. I know, you still do not exactly understand what I am saying. I do not mean you have to agree to understand, I just mean you have to understand, I know you dont understand what I am saying.

No, I understand your analogy perfectly. I thought it was a clear and concise description. I was just pointing out that that analogy is very narrow-minded.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Well maybe. It is just civis usually dont use abbreviations when talking about it. And also, you said the same thing as wiki. I have never seen these rounds, but I heard it first on the news, by SBS, a credible station. Then I researched it on the net and they said bullets were made of it too. I am unsure though. But I was told it may be the cause of Gulf War Syndrome. I dunno... Plus, there is the birth defects and cancer. I dont know what caused them if not radiation.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

And ALL girls try impress me. Dont lie.

LOL! Ah... well. You may be right (partially, at least) about the GUlf War Syndrome thing. Even though the uranium doesn't put a lot of radiation, it is still concentrated in one spot and is constant, so it could cause localized problems. But, since the Iraqis weren't using uranium in their ammunition, I doubt that it's the real cause. Um... for the last part... I'll have to take your word for it, but don't hold your breath for me (unless you're into guys o_O )ehhehe ^_^;;;

Originally Posted by Tenchu

... What do you take me for. You dont have to explain that to me...

I bring that up because you were commenting on how American troops tend to not dive right into the thickest of fighting without using some kind of indirect method, first. They do it to minimize their own casualties. Not that it excuses the deaths of civilians, but that's why. I wouldn't expect any other modern world power to behave any differently. Except maybe China, who has an army that could afford to bleed itself on every little village and hamlet they come across.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Amnell, you can not teach me this. Did I ever say once I am a survivalist? This is why I know you do not understand me. I am unadaptable. If I come to an awkward way, I will die, I will not change for a situation. I will not change for the world. Either it will change for me, or I will die. I am too strong to be manipulated. You might call that idealism. I dont. I think if you understand better neither will you. I am not actually going to campaign for peace, or protest or anything. The thought makes me sick. I love war and worship brutality, I am just got my own style of it. I am like a monk, really. I sacrafice a lot about myself to turn me into a better man.

mmmm... I really don't know what I can say that I haven't already said :P

Originally Posted by tenchu

Also, I am also a wicked dog. I should add to my story. I stand here and watch other dogs fight. I may choose to pick off one that pisses me off. Swallow him whole, you know. But generally, I am doing my own thing. I dont care for any of this or the world I am talking about, I just like to talk about wise subjects, you know. And I appreciate you for doing that with me uh. Thanx. I dont like Tyrien much though...

Uh, sure thing ^_^; .

Originally Posted by Tenchu

If I did not know her age I would thinkshe was in her 20's and at Uni or something.

I (he) am 18, graduated high school last June, currently taking classes at a community college (for those that don't know :P ). Appreciate it, though! Most people I meet think I'm younger than I am -_- . I've been debating with people for a while, though, so I've learned to mostly stay away from the Ad Hom's and other things that tend to child-ize an argument.

[girlgamer1984]

I've given up on rationality.

HE SAID SHE SAID KAY.

Show me a documentation if you're so sure of yourself and want to be calling people ignorant. Like christ, I'll settle for a wikipedia entry or a youtube video at this point that shows some shread of truth.

Ever heard of "searching yourself to know the truth?"

Yeah, I never heard anything about the US dropping chem-bombs on anyone in this war, let alone civilians.

I've also never heard of anyone anywhere using cluster bombs on people hiding in caves... For a good reason: cluster bombs don't work on caves. We use FAEs for caves .

But if you have anything that says it really happened, do share.

Of cousre you wouldn't have heard of it but here is the link just to enlighten you.

Fatally Flawed:

And btw the web is filled with such reports, if only you type the right words.

[Tyrien]

Originally Posted by girlgamer1984

Ever heard of "searching yourself to know the truth?"

Of course I have. I do it all the time when I want to back up my point.

I shouldn't have to find the proof for another's claims though when they're the ones who say they're right. If someone wants to argue a point with me then they should be able to back up their sources no problem.

[girlgamer1984]

Really? Then how come you asked me for proof when this was in the news every where when the war intensified in Afg?

[Ramones1976]

Man this topic has been completely derailed to liberals VS conservatives 0_o
Isn't this turning into a pointless argument now (irrelevant from original topic), since points of view are completely opposite, and its just going on and on...?