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03-23-2008, 07:54 PM
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It's fine to give your opinions. I'm not getting on your case for what you've said. I'm talking about how you always say something and then run away as soon as someone disagrees with you. Basically, I meant "grow some balls and act like a man, or go back to Gaia and hang out with the 12 year olds over there". I'm not trying to push you around. I hope you don't see it that way. I'm just pointing out a flaw in your attitude when it comes to serious discussion. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you actually make them think, they'll hate you. ~Don Marquis Quote:
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03-23-2008, 08:03 PM
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How bout you grow a ******, and go watch fox news or whatever Look I'm not perfect, and neither are you I'm just pointing out what an asshole you're being Need I remind you, I'm just defending myself like you said to do |
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03-23-2008, 08:04 PM
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But its also important for people to recognize where the line is. Just because one U.S. citizen, or even more than that, turned out poorly or did something bad, does not mean that all U.S. citizens are bad, because that's what you are talking about, I believe, when you talk about a country. So when I hear people talk about how they hate their country, I guess that means they hate me too. The United States, like any country, has problems. It's important to recognize where those problems are, however, and who is participating in them verses who is associated with them. Every U.S. citizen is associated with the United States government. Not every U.S. citizen can vote, not every U.S. citizen can make decisions about war and policy, and in what areas they can it's important to recognize the extent of power. I think it is easy, but also ignorant, and probably foolish, to criticize an entire body of people for circumstances that are not entirely directly under their control [and thank goodness for it], without recognizing that opinions, intentions, desires, and the execution of power is a complex process that churns out what people never thought they triggered. This is not to say that nobody is at fault, or that U.S. citizens shouldn't feel anything about this [because apathy can be a serious detriment], but we should recognize with whom the blame actually lies and who actually deserves out criticism. Not to pick on you.  I understand what you're saying, I think; there are many aspects of the United States that disappoint me too. But "aspects" is a key point.Reading other responses to this thread, as well as others, I think everybody runs into a lot of issues with perception verses actuality. That is, even if people understand they exist, they forget to take such things into account in the midst of discussion because, in many cases, it is simpler to do so. That makes it hard for communication, I think. I also think that we forget that almost any citizen of any country who loves certain aspects about it, though they will criticize it and constantly engage in discussions about its problems at home, will probably feel the need to be defensive in the face of those abroad. For this reason discussion get more heated, and people will especially seem patriotic or nationalistic on the international scene. It makes them come off as terrible stereotypes, when the actuality of what they think may be very different. |
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03-23-2008, 10:09 PM
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I don't watch TV news. I'm not trying to be an ass, nor am I saying that I'm perfect. It seems you have the right idea, now (good on ya!), but you're still resorting to ungraceful styles of argument. If you're afraid of causing problems, then you need to remind yourself that all of this stuff is online. You can have the nastiest fight ever with someone online and know that it still has no effect on your life or well being. Even better, you can fight with someone and still be able to talk to that person. Even Tenchu and me--we never agree with each other and we usually get pretty nasty, but we still respect each other as individuals and I think we could get along pretty damn well if we ever found something we agreed on. We both know that it doesn't matter what the other says, we can go on living our own lives happily and never have to worry about things we say to each other. So, I agree that arguing on online is usually pretty pointless, but it's usually pointless because arguments take place between a couple of fourteen year olds who are both immature and not ready for intellectual growth. If you get two adults, things are quite different. Adults can actually listen to each other and help each other to learn more things. That's the core purpose of debate, anyway. (Presidential debate is not debate, that's a couple of grown children calling each other names in a highly structured and euphamistic format) So the question is: are you ready to be an adult and have a real debate with someone? If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you actually make them think, they'll hate you. ~Don Marquis Quote:
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03-24-2008, 12:40 AM
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 I very much agree with your statement Technically speaking America is a continent not a country Anyway, I read an article in a local paper about the most nationalist countries, and the us ranked No1 2 other countries that followed were Venezuela, and Ireland The least nationalist countries were Japan, Korea, China, and Taiwan |
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03-24-2008, 01:49 AM
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There's no denying there's some radical patriots but those are predominantly in the southern states; particularly small secluded towns of less than 10000 in population. The average American isn't as patriotic as the news and documentaries would like you to think. You have to rememeber the news, though it shows what things are like is not a representation of the majority but taking one example and claiming it to be the standard. Quote:
 button in someone's post.I don't say that to be an asshole, or because it's a pet peeve of mine (well that's part of it but not the main part) but because it makes your posts really annoying to read. :/ Quote:
You cannot take a side that is an extreme an think people won't have something to say about it. I don't care if it's the allmighty e-world we're all still people too. Anonymity or not. Quote:
If you can actually look beyond race, or nationality it's really easy to see that everyone on this planet is a person. Every person has their own mind and is responsible for their own actions. You are not your community, you are not your government, you are not your country. You're a person, a single person. Regardless of what someone does who lives within the same imaginary enclosed space you do, does not mean you're guilty or should feel shame for their actions.  Tyrien.DeviantArt~ As of 08/11/2008 5:33 PM Eastern Standard time I now officially own: Miyavi, Kyo, Yuusuke, Maya, Gou, Aki, Aoi, Jun, Yusa, Jui, Key, Heechul, Yesung, Riku, Kei, Jyou, Satoshi, Takeru, Sin, Teddyloid, ♀Yooh♂, Reo, Tomoya, Tatsuro, Hitsugi, Kyoharu, Takanori Nishikawa, Jay Chou, Hirokai, Die, Kaoru, Shinya, and Toshiya. |
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03-24-2008, 02:13 AM
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 "Im too drunk to taste this chicken" - colonel sanders
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03-24-2008, 02:48 AM
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03-24-2008, 03:32 AM
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Since you obviously realize this, why are you acting like it's "always America, it's only America, America is full of bad people that should just die"? I'm pissed that this shit happens, too. It's annoying that some people don't realize that their actions reflect on everything associated with them. Right now, I'm more annoyed that you people here think that because we have some low-lifes in our military means that the whole of the US is filled with these same losers. If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you actually make them think, they'll hate you. ~Don Marquis Quote:
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03-24-2008, 03:46 AM
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You are your Government. *eye roll* Tyrien.DeviantArt~ As of 08/11/2008 5:33 PM Eastern Standard time I now officially own: Miyavi, Kyo, Yuusuke, Maya, Gou, Aki, Aoi, Jun, Yusa, Jui, Key, Heechul, Yesung, Riku, Kei, Jyou, Satoshi, Takeru, Sin, Teddyloid, ♀Yooh♂, Reo, Tomoya, Tatsuro, Hitsugi, Kyoharu, Takanori Nishikawa, Jay Chou, Hirokai, Die, Kaoru, Shinya, and Toshiya. |
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