Another US Military incident : (

[Gaberdeen]

The US Military has a worldwide bad press for behaviour in foreign countries.

Sorry, but that is a fact and if you want citation, I can get it for you in bucketloads.

The problem isn't just lack of discipline within the Military - it is the structure and substance of the Military itself.


In the instance of America's support to the South Vietnamese Government - It is evident through recollection of historical events that the Army, Navy and Airforce required bolstering through conscriptionalthough it's relatively less well known that anyone who was well educated, or of esteemed character & family influence in America would not join the Military as a Ranked Soldier.

Todays scenario regarding troops differs slightly in that the bulk of US troop deployments are not conscripts, but volunteers. Volunteers from economically deprived areas of America where the Military is quite often the only option avaialble to them. These volunteers tend not to be as well educated nor as socially well-adjusted and as a result, instances like gang-rapes, murders, drug abuse and general lack of discipline is observed on a periodic basis.

It would be a great insult to label all American Military personal as lumbering, ingracious rapists and I'd castigate anyone who made that generalisation. I am however purplexed as to why such poor discipline is not dealt with in a more assertive manner - A manner that effectively deters any further deviation from the status quo. In some people's opinion, including my own, it makes Americans look like they think they are above the law of the country in which they are residing.

[Amnell]

Finally, someone who has some sense.

Well said, Gaberdeen.

EDIT:

How about a balance for OP...

I found a (somewhat graphic) video on youtube where three insurgents tried to car bomb a US position with a bus (or that's what it looked like). One of them didn't survive, and the other two were injured. It's about ten minutes long, and most of it is footage of the medics in this squad trying to save the two survivors.

After these men came with the intent of killing these soldiers, the American troops still saved their lives.

How's that for American brutality?

Here's a link if you want to see it. If you're bothered by blood, though, don't watch it.
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=H0iRg4...eature=related

[Hyakushi]

Alot of people who enter in the military go crazy speacially pampered kids who want to play G.I. joe =/ I guess it depends where you grew up. People from the city can't really hack it in military most of them go home after the three or five month training period. I don't like judging others but its a job thats needed but it depends on what departments there in. Some departments are more disiplined than others like you could become a cook in the military and not worry about being deployed to the current war. Its up to the person himself either to obay by law and go back to civilized living or keep what the military has given him. They build you up and break you down but at the end your the one who has to pick up the peices and adapt. When you go threw the military they brainwash you to the point where your going on nothing but instinct after everything is over its the responsibility of the person to adapt themselves back into civilization or keep going the way they are.

[Kyousuke]

Originally Posted by Amnell

The military has the lowest entrance requirements of any full-time occupation, it's bound to get some people who are a little meh.

We trained and armed Bin Laden during the Russo-Afghan war, as I recall.

We were at odds with Russia ideologically. Who provoked who is probably impossible to really say.

North Korea invaded South Korea. We had little to do with it. The only thing we are at fault for there is allowing Russia to take over North Korea in the first place and establish a communist system.

Every nation has a lot of wars sometime in their history -_- . Granted, our leaders have been a bit trigger happy in the last thirty years (boys with toys :P ) .

We created the A-Bomb and with it Nuclear power, radiation therapy for cancer patients, started a whole new field of science....

What multi-ethnic country doesn't have racism/hate? What country doesn't have poverty?

I wasn't going to say it was anybody's fault -_- .

Ramones, that little half-rhyme is about as idealistic as it gets. Don't get me wrong; I fully believe that the government governs with the consent of the governed. However, I can't think of a single society in all the history that I have yet learned where this, though true, was realized and actualized full-time by the people. There've been revolutions over this concept, but new governments that come from these revolutions are often quick to forget why they revolted in the first place (Even George Washington, it is said, was told by several of his advisors that he could take over the government and have all the power for himself--not even a year after we'd won our independence from Britain because we didn't want to be stuck in that monarchy/dictatorship). In other words, people will think about this and act on it briefly, but only briefly.

i agree with you but at the time of communism america could live and let live. they were giving speeches especially in the vietnam war that they were fighting communism only because russian and i think china were converting countries to communism. they couldnt just let them be and act like it was our problem too.

[Kyousuke]

Originally Posted by Amnell

Finally, someone who has some sense.

Well said, Gaberdeen.

EDIT:

How about a balance for OP...

I found a (somewhat graphic) video on youtube where three insurgents tried to car bomb a US position with a bus (or that's what it looked like). One of them didn't survive, and the other two were injured. It's about ten minutes long, and most of it is footage of the medics in this squad trying to save the two survivors.

After these men came with the intent of killing these soldiers, the American troops still saved their lives.

How's that for American brutality?

Here's a link if you want to see it. If you're bothered by blood, though, don't watch it.
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=H0iRg4...eature=related

not all americans are selfish douche bags, only the ones in power and a select few.

[Powermad147]

*sigh* score one more for the american military u_u

[Tyrien]

Originally Posted by Kyousuke

not all americans are selfish douche bags, only the ones in power and a select few.

You mean. Not all people.
Because remember regardless of where we are born, how we look or what language we speak.
We all bleed the same..

Originally Posted by Powermad147

*sigh* score one more for the american military u_u

Wow.

Someone on this forum who isn't on the "US and everything about them is satan!" Gihad bandwagon.

Yay!

[Tyrien]

wow i love double posting.

[Powermad147]

Originally Posted by Tyrien

Wow.

Someone on this forum who isn't on the "US and everything about them is satan!" Gihad bandwagon.

Yay!

of course...I myself am an "ignorant american swine"

that doesn't mean I hate muslims, but I sure as hell hate their extremist representatives in the middle east >.>

[Amnell]

Originally Posted by Kyousuke

i agree with you but at the time of communism america could live and let live. they were giving speeches especially in the vietnam war that they were fighting communism only because russian and i think china were converting countries to communism. they couldnt just let them be and act like it was our problem too.

That was an ideological fight. The western powers at the time believed that communism was something like the devil's economy. Naturally, more communist countries was a bad thing in popular opinion--an opinion I agree with, since I believe communism is good for nothing other than subjugating people and given a select few way too much power.

Actually, it's not dissimilar from the Arabs hating the Jews (more for religion than for race, really), or the Catholic Church and the Portestant Christians during Queen Elizabeth's reign. They all could have just left each other alone, too :P .

Seriously, you guys need to give it a rest. There is not one thing under our sun you can say about the United States that is really that unique and evil. The things that our government does are the same things that have been done by governments since government began on this earth. If you want someone to blame so much, blame humans, as it human nature that is at fault. Any time you give someone the tools necessary to exert an influence over another person, they will use them.

Having said that, I still believe that my country has done a lot better than some countries through history (and even today).