Another US Military incident : (

[Hyakushi]

Originally Posted by Amnell

Seriously, you guys need to give it a rest. There is not one thing under our sun you can say about the United States that is really that unique and evil. The things that our government does are the same things that have been done by governments since government began on this earth. If you want someone to blame so much, blame humans, as it human nature that is at fault. Any time you give someone the tools necessary to exert an influence over another person, they will use them.

Not many people want to do that though they just want to blame the system but London has a way better plan than America does thats for sure health wise anyways.

[Hyakushi]

Originally Posted by Tyrien

You mean. Not all people.
Because remember regardless of where we are born, how we look or what language we speak.
We all bleed the same..

But does everyone see blood the same way?

[Kyousuke]

Originally Posted by Tyrien

You mean. Not all people.
Because remember regardless of where we are born, how we look or what language we speak.
We all bleed the same..


Wow.

Someone on this forum who isn't on the "US and everything about them is satan!" Gihad bandwagon.

Yay!

well we were talking about an AMERICAN incident. of course not all people are douche bags or else the hole world would be completely gone. also i dont think america is SATAN, just george bush. theyve done alot of good, especially under Bill Clinton. i just hate the fact that america acts like an Asshole principle in a highschool.

[Amnell]

Bill Clinton? Who sold nuclear technology to China and made non-proliferation policy makers turn in their graves? o_O

Ooooookay.

What I fail to understand is how all of you can say "I NO ITS NOT AL AMERICAN PPL, JUST SUM DOOSHBAGZ" and then talk like it's America as a whole.

[CelestialChild]

Originally Posted by Amnell

Seriously, you guys need to give it a rest. There is not one thing under our sun you can say about the United States that is really that unique and evil. The things that our government does are the same things that have been done by governments since government began on this earth. If you want someone to blame so much, blame humans, as it human nature that is at fault. Any time you give someone the tools necessary to exert an influence over another person, they will use them.

Having said that, I still believe that my country has done a lot better than some countries through history (and even today).

As a fellow US citizen I certainly agree with the first point. But I think it's natural and completely reasonable for the US to come under scrutiny anyway because we are supposedly the most powerful nation on the planet. Just because things have been done repeatedly before doesn't mean people should simply accept them and continue on with it. I believe strong nations deserve all the more scrutiny simply because of the threat they can pose. But this does not mean that scrutiny should be unbalanced, which I feel is often the case anyway, and so here I agree again that that saying the United States is uniquely evil is unfair and inconsiderate [and by this I do not mean lacking manners, but simply that people are not considering all angles], and by examining history, historically ignorant.

The United States comes under critical fire as much as it does in great part because it simply has so much power. Countries can do the same all over the world, but the measure of power possessed, not necessarily a comparison of the actual crimes committed, has a tendency to impact perceptions of how "bad" a nation is in many cases. That is to say, a nation is partly classified as bad because it has power, not because of the way in which it is actually using that power in comparison with other countries. So Sudan is country full of war and atrocities, but one hears less use of the term "Evil" as applied to either side by outside forces than there is on the United States and it's movements in Iraq. [At least this is how I've experienced it.]

It's kind of like the difference in mentality of when a man slaps a woman verses when a woman slaps a man. Even if they use the exact same amount of force each, or even if a woman punches a man when he only slaps, the man is generally considered more evil [and committing sexual abuse] because he is stronger to begin with, even if he doesn't exercise all his strength, or even uses less relative to the woman. It a way it can be called a punishment for having power, regardless of how it is exercised in comparison.

Originally Posted by Amnell

What I fail to understand is how all of you can say "I NO ITS NOT AL AMERICAN PPL, JUST SUM DOOSHBAGZ" and then talk like it's America as a whole.

Because, unfortunately, it's "easier"?

[Amnell]

Originally Posted by CelestialChild

As a fellow US citizen I certainly agree with the first point. But I think it's natural and completely reasonable for the US to come under scrutiny anyway because we are supposedly the most powerful nation on the planet. Just because things have been done repeatedly before doesn't mean people should simply accept them and continue on with it. I believe strong nations deserve all the more scrutiny simply because of the threat they can pose. But this does not mean that scrutiny should be unbalanced, which I feel is often the case anyway, and so here I agree again that that saying the United States is uniquely evil is unfair and inconsiderate [and by this I do not mean lacking manners, but simply that people are not considering all angles], and by examining history, historically ignorant.

The United States comes under critical fire as much as it does in great part because it simply has so much power. Countries can do the same all over the world, but the measure of power possessed, not necessarily a comparison of the actual crimes committed, has a tendency to impact perceptions of how "bad" a nation is in many cases. That is to say, a nation is partly classified as bad because it has power, not because of the way in which it is actually using that power in comparison with other countries. So Sudan is country full of war and atrocities, but one hears less use of the term "Evil" as applied to either side by outside forces than there is on the United States and it's movements in Iraq. [At least this is how I've experienced it.]

It's kind of like the difference in mentality of when a man slaps a woman verses when a woman slaps a man. Even if they use the exact same amount of force each, or even if a woman punches a man when he only slaps, the man is generally considered more evil [and committing sexual abuse] because he is stronger to begin with, even if he doesn't exercise all his strength, or even uses less relative to the woman. It a way it can be called a punishment for having power, regardless of how it is exercised in comparison.

I think I like you! Lol

Well, I totally agree with you. I hadn't thought of that, but you're absolutely right.

I think I should correct myself, though: I hadn't meant to say that because we're not doing anything "special" that it's excusable. My only point was that people are talking like the US is the only country to have done these things/is the only country that has fuckups in it, and it simply isn't true. I'm sure that most of us here realize this on some level, but everything keeps getting stated in this way.

[forgotenmemory]

Originally Posted by Suki

Hey you got me wrong there [if that was partly aimed at me]. I don't think all Americans are like that. I have nothing against the US population nor the country in itself; we're talking Politics here, nothing else. But you can't deny that America is believed to be a veeeeeeery patriotic nation. This doesn't mean they'd support any war the Government would lead them into, but the fact that most of them think it's worth dying for a nation's glory and stuff... this just sounds so out of place in the XXIth century it makes them look rather dumb, like they've been lied to and unconsciously forced to believe they're somewhat superior cause oh wow the US rules all other countries ¬¬'

Theres nothing wrong with honor, Suki. Dying for your country, that's a good charecteristic in a person, I guess.

[Ramones1976]

When people say die for your country what that really means is more like dying for your government

[forgotenmemory]

No, I wouldn't die for the republican. >V< BUSH! >V< Sorry, but I don't know the governments!

[Nao]

I know I'm late for this one but bear with me...

You're in a beautiful mountain range, like none you have seen before.

You stub your toe on a rock.

What's your attention on?

...The only difference here is the size of the rock.