Dolphin Slaughter in Taiji Begins September

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by evanny

what a load of s**t.
so. again - ones life depends on cutnes or the inteligence level not on the fact that its simply something a live?
EVERYBODY! get your tourches, lets go over the the retarded children home! killing dumb creatures is ok!!! EI! i know a nice place were homless people hang around - they are as dumb as they come! wow - let me get my axe and well be off, being morally normal, because we are killing stupid, living things, and not itellingent living things.

you are so full of it, dude.

Its been proven that Dolphins, along with monkeys, dogs and whales are self aware animals.

You comparing homeless people to animals with no self awareness... now THAT is a load of shit.

[evanny]

ronin..when it comes to being ok to kill dumb things, you should be carefull...

everyone is "self aware" ! cut of anybodys legs off - i think they will notice!

and who cares if they are or are not? does that change the fact how they taste or what we make of them? does self aware means that they are able to provide as with information or other usefull things? no.
only thing that animal selfawarnes changes is that nut-jobs like you have something to drive on when makeing usless arguments.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by evanny

ronin..when it comes to being ok to kill dumb things, you should be carefull...

everyone is "self aware" ! cut of anybodys legs off - i think they will notice!

and who cares if they are or are not? does that change the fact how they taste or what we make of them? does self aware means that they are able to provide as with information or other usefull things? no.
only thing that animal selfawarnes changes is that nut-jobs like you have something to drive on when makeing usless arguments.

Useless arguments? Just because you say they are useless doesnt make it so.

Dolphin Self-Recognition Mirrors Our Own: Scientific American

Whale of an issue - Europe - Al Jazeera English

Georges Chapouthier, a neurobiologist and director of the Emotion Centre at Pierre and Marie Curie University in Paris, said self-awareness means that dolphins and whales, along with some higher primates, can experience not just pain but also suffering.

Unlike nociception, a basic nerve response to harmful stimuli found in all animals, or lower-order pain, "suffering supposes a certain level of cognitive functioning," he said in an interview.

"It is difficult to define what that level is, but there's a lot of data now to suggest some higher mammals have it, including great apes, dolphins and, most likely, whales."

As for intelligence, cetaceans are second only to humans in brain size, once body weight is taken into account.

By self aware, I mean it has a sense of existence. It knows its alive, can manipulate the world around itself to a certain degree and knows that one day it is going to die.

Most animals dont know this except the ones I mentioned earlier. Instead they survive on pure instinct.

[evanny]

ou NO...How those other living things dare to live on their instinct?! those monsters thank god, we humans have evolved and are beyond that and now we can do great things like torture each other, have sex with the dead or eat our own kind! damn animals have no idea how great it is and they wont even in their sickest dreams come up with this stuff that we do - those lesser beings! pha!
maybe dolphins will grow up to be like us..wouldnt that be great?
and really? what does it change? what good does dolphins "manipulation" does to the world? and what is it? and how you know its good? maybe he is fucking stuff up like homer simpson at the nuke station.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by evanny

ou know...How those other living things dare to live on their instinct?! those monsters thank god, we humans have evolved and are beyond that and now we can do great things like torture each other, have sex with the dead or eat our own kind! damn animals have no idea how great it is and they wont even in their sickest dreams wont come up with this stuff that we do - those lesser beings! pha!

and really? what does it change? what good does dolphins "manipulation" does to the world? and what is it? and how you know its good? maybe he is fucking stuff up like homer simpson at the nuke station.

I see you have nothing rational to add to this discussion...

You are an idiot.

[evanny]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

I see you have nothing rational to add to this discussion...

You are an idiot.

check out your picture, then call someone an idiot.
and now then enlighten me. tell me why is it something special if they are self-aware? does the nature dramataclly change if we eat them? swap dolphins with pigs - now what would you do? would you still cry over each dolphine tho now there would be millions of them? and would you continiue eating pigs, because they would still be dumb and would have no special rights?

the fact remains that intelligent or not, that does not effect the world! they still do what all the "lesser" animals do - they migrate, they live in packs and live by the rules eat or be eaten. their self awarnes brings nothing to the table except something to eat

P.S rational my ass. im presenting rational thinking. you are presenting "emontional" based facts. know the difference!!!

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by evanny

check out your picture, then call someone an idiot.
and now then enlighten me. tell me why is it something special if they are self-aware? does the nature dramataclly change if we eat them? swap dolphins with pigs - now what would you do? would you still cry over each dolphine tho now there would be millions of them? and would you continiue eating pigs, because they would still be dumb and would have no special rights?

It poses a moral question I think. And on that premise I can tell the people of Taiji, the whalers of Japan, Norway and Iceland, that they are barbarians.

Do I need to spell out the moral implications of killing something that is self aware?

I have no idea as to whether pigs are self aware or not. If it turns out that they are then I will be against eating pigs too.

Im already against FACTORY farming. Where animals are put through terrible conditions.

Originally Posted by evanny

the fact remains that intelligent or not, that does not effect the world! they still do what all the "lesser" animals do - they migrate, they live in packs and live by the rules eat or be eaten. their self awarnes brings nothing to the table except something to eat

I have no idea the point you are trying to make here. They do all those things so they deserve to die? Is that what you are trying to say? Its not much of a counter argument against mine... in fact it has nothing to do with my argument.

Originally Posted by evanny

P.S rational my ass. im presenting rational thinking. you are presenting "emontional" based facts. know the difference!!!

emotional based facts? Facts are facts. I dont know what you mean by "emotional" based facts. Perhaps its an English problem on your part.

Anyway... Check my links above... they seem to be scientific findings.

[evanny]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

emotional based facts? Facts are facts. I dont know what you mean by "emotional" based facts. Perhaps its an English problem on your part.

you are wrong here. you dont even present facts. you are presenting opinions. the same thing as por-life and similar movments.
facts do not depend on how we feel about them - gravity wont change if you dont like it.
you are saying it is wrong because they are higher beings than others, you are saying its wrong because you feel like they are closer to us. thats it - you are not saying that it is wrong to eat them because sun will explode as if that was a fact.
and im saying the facts - everything is on equal ground. the most equal thing in this world is death - everyone and everything gets it, so there is no reason to sort out these things - who is aware and shouldnt be eaten and who isnt and should be eaten. actually you are saying that its ok to eat some life forms just because they wont see it coming and wont feel sorry for theire asses.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by evanny

you are wrong here. you dont even present facts. you are presenting opinions. the same thing as por-life and similar movments.
facts do not depend on how we feel about them - gravity wont change if you dont like it.
you are saying it is wrong because they are higher beings than others, you are saying its wrong because you feel like they are closer to us. thats it - you are not saying that it is wrong to eat them because sun will explode as if that was a fact.
and im saying the facts - everything is on equal ground. the most equal thing in this world is death - everyone and everything gets it, so there is no reason to sort out these things - who is aware and shouldnt be eaten and who isnt and should be eaten. actually you are saying that its ok to eat some life forms just because they wont see it coming and wont feel sorry for theire asses.

So things like human rights dont concern you then?

If I can be compelled to feel compassion for my fellow human being then I dont think it is such a stretch to feel compassion for self aware animals.

In fact, my opposition to factory farming means that I feel compassion for animals that dont exhibit signs of self awareness.

(I have nothing against farming practices in which animals are raised in an ethically and humanely.)

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