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09-17-2010, 09:21 PM

I'm also pretty sure that people who were incenerated and suffered disfiguring burns didn't want to fight either, after all they were women, children, and men who weren't even soldiers. And I'm also pretty sure that people didn't go to the U.S to work hard to make a better life and then have everything taken from them. Nope no choice.
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I don't think that Japan should apologize to the U.S or any pow's form there until the U.S apologizes for what it did, which I think is a lot worse. Ex. Nuking Japan and imprisoning Japanese Americans in internment camps just because the government was paranoid. It seems like the U.S government only follows the constitution when it's convenient for them.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

If Japan apologizes for its atrocities and the US doesnt it just shows that Japan has progressed further than the Americans.

Though I'm pretty sure that the Americans apologised to the Japanese American community for its treatment... I dont know for sure though.
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09-17-2010, 09:40 PM

In 1988, Congress passed and President Ronald Reagan signed legislation which apologized for the internment on behalf of the U.S. government. The legislation stated that government actions were based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership". Over $1.6 billion in reparations were later disbursed by the U.S. government to Japanese Americans who had either suffered internment or were heirs of those who had suffered internment.

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In 1988, Congress passed and President Ronald Reagan signed legislation which apologized for the internment on behalf of the U.S. government. The legislation stated that government actions were based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership". Over $1.6 billion in reparations were later disbursed by the U.S. government to Japanese Americans who had either suffered internment or were heirs of those who had suffered internment.

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Thanks for that MMM. I thought they did
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09-21-2010, 09:25 PM

Bataan survivor sees Japan visits as opportunities for reconciliation | The Japan Times Online


a little more about the visit to japan by a few ex POW's.
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10-06-2010, 08:02 PM

Very touching, thanks for the link dogsbody.

War is horrible, no joke. I never fought in a war, but I have family and friends that did and are, and it's gruesome. Glad some good can come out of the tragic past.

In reply to x2cool: Saying Americans should not be forgiven for the atomic bombs, and everything else, it's like saying Germany should not be forgiven for the Holocaust (of which a very few Germans actually participated), and Japan should not be forgiven for the invasion of Manchuria (and the subsequent slaughter of thousands of civilian lives), and China the expansion into north Vietnam, and the Crusades, and every other bloody war in history. If anything, blame this global society that allows such a thing to happen. I am part Japanese and all American, and I believe that, like dogsbody was trying to discuss, that on both sides there's pain, and in order to reconcile both sides need to agree to apologize.

Thanks for the clarification MMM, I was about to point out that the U.S. DID formerly apologize for the atomic bombs and the concentration camps. In fact, my grandpa owns his house in Hawai'i (the old one was bombed by Japan in the attack on Pearl Harbor) due to this apology.

So, I'm glad that two ex-sworn-enemies became friends in the end, and I'm glad for the POW to have some outlet and relief for what must have been a terrible and trying time in his life. Reading what he went through, I don't think anyone deserves that treatment, anyone.


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10-07-2010, 08:10 AM

thank you for your thoughtful message, everything is so true.

What mankind does to another! we do many barbaric deeds and it seems ever since time began we still have not learned essential lessons.

But kindness and regretfulness adds a little more humanity to dreadful deeds that have been committed.

Also studying history teaches us many things----but whether we take heed?


There are billions of human beings on earth-- yet each is an individual.

forgiveness is powerful and releasing and a sign also of respect.
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10-10-2010, 02:17 AM

War's are seldom fought by the people who start them.
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10-10-2010, 08:55 AM

How very true Ryzorian
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10-12-2010, 05:19 AM

We're a cranky species. That's not going away any time soon. I've seen first hand what human beings can do to each other- good and bad.

Conflict is something we subconsciously need. For instance- Novels, TV, Media of any kind. There must be a protagonist, antagonist, conflict and challenges to overcome. Even the sappiest romance novel sets people and circumstances against one another.

I'm glad whenever I read articles like this. The last one I read was a few weeks ago on 4chan's /k/ channel so I don't have a link.

In the European theater of WW2 a B17 bomber and crew was returning from France after a bomb run. The plane had been shot to hell and back, with 3/4s of the crew dead or injured, 2 engines down, half the tail shot off, ect.

A ME-109 pilot came across the badly damaged bomber- which had fallen behind from the rest of the force. Slow and could barely maneuver- easy meat for the Luftwaffe pilot. He closed in, saw the condition of the ship and crew (the tail gunner was splattered over what was left of the tail) and he escorted them out into the English channel, then reported that he had shot down the plane.

The pilot of that Bomber couldn't sleep at night after the war- as much from what had happened here as the rest of what he'd been through, and he began writing the German government looking for records, rosters, ect. It took him until the early 90s but he actually located that 109 pilot.

They met in Germany and though so many years went by, they both cried like children hugging each other- old enemies, but sharing a bond that only people fighting for their lives share. That they were on the opposing sides didn't matter anymore.

Greatest Generation indeed
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