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05-21-2011, 12:27 AM
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05-21-2011, 12:42 AM
So anyways back to the animals... I don't think anyone here is for the suffering of animals, simply a lack of resources and triage. As Nyo stated the priority is people at the moment.
For the animals first people... Your house is burning down your mother and cat are trapped inside...you can only save one (lack of resources just as the Japanese Gov is experiencing) which do you save? Where is your humanity if you chose to save the cat? Thanks for playing...Now if the stance of the Japanese government was all the people are fine and safe and everything is peachy...we just feel like watching the animals slowly die this would be a whole different story, but it's not and there still are people suffering.
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05-21-2011, 07:25 AM
Humans should be responsible for animals under their care.
I don't need the scenario that has already been expressed. I am not totally stupid. I hate the attitude that animals don't matter. Is it Buddhists that believe in reincarnation and we could return as some kind of insect or animal.They would not kill any animal-- Is that true? I trust my dogs rather than trust most human beings.
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05-21-2011, 11:28 AM
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I mean, you seem to adore animals and you sound like a wonderful breeder (as I remember you mentioned a while back), but your dogs depend on you. They need you to feed them, look after them, discipline them and so forth. The thing is what would happen if something happened to you? If you were - God forbid - injured or on Death's door, who would look after your animals then? They'd starve and suffer and perhaps die, too, if no one found them in time. Animals need humans to survive in many circumstances, so its surely our duty to prioritise the humans so that the animals stand a fighting chance. If we don't have people to correct the current situations involving environment, resources, and so forth then the animals are doomed regardless. It is because humans are responsible for the animals that we must look after ourselves first, in order to be in a position where we can look after the animals.
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05-21-2011, 02:58 PM
my family will take my dogs.
Yes humans are supposed to be responsible for the care of their livestock. Sadly that is often abused-- especially with factory farming etc. The recent disaster in Japan was shocking--------farmers losing their livestock when they relied on them for a living. Japan has suffered a great deal--No doubt many of them are still suffering in various ways-- and with the problem of radiation--what is their future? No I got cross with some attitudes on here-- talking as though animals suffering doesn't matter a toss. humans are so much more important and superior than any animal. I disagree with that. We need animals. What if we had been born as a wild animal or any other animal apart from the human.Would we have had a choice. Did we have a choice that we would be born into a human shape? do the animals have a choice. If we were born as some other animal where we had no choice at all- just a chance to survive-- how would we feel. Animals do have feelings-- they know pain and they do not usually kill for the sake of killing-- but what do humans do? again I repeat-- if animals could talk-- things would be different.
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05-22-2011, 12:14 AM
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Please don't hate me for this... I'm not trying to spark an argument, but in my opinion a person who abuses so many animals for testing deserves every drop of pain he got by having the remains taken. Maybe then he may feel a little closer to the combined suffering of those animals. And from what I learned back in biology class, there are many, many disadvantages of testing for human drugs that basically null animal testing, such as the different immune systems and bodies. Quote:
Humans are animals too, we just use our inteligence as a cheat sheet to 'survival.' If you were trapped in the jungle, assuming you had the skills, you'd do exactly the same as animals. And about them just being pests. May be a well used comparison, but I'll bring it up again. If aliens who were a LOT bigger and more intelligent than us came, and considered us pests, you would be okay with that? "We're just pests, so it's okay we all should die right? I bet the aliens have an awesome reason anyway." And what about animals who are more intelligent than humans? For example, a rat that can complete a maze, a dolphin that has a full communication system, vs a human who's braindead, or severely mentally disabled, who can't do any of these things. Do you consider these people more of a pest than the animals in that case? Because if I read your logic correctly, that's what I'm getting from it.
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05-22-2011, 03:46 AM
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 I am not going to answer to your aliens comparison because just writing it shows you missed the point. So here is the point: Ever heard of oh.. let's say.. the bubonic plague? If so.. you would just be okay with rats running rampant carrying fleas that kill thousands of people with a deadly disease, sorry.. but once again I value the lives of people over animals. And I apologize to you that I would pick your life over that of a rats... will you ever forgive me?? Last time I checked brain dead people do not necessarily carry deadly diseases.. Your entire response to me tells me that you thought this through with your heart, not your head (how human of you), since you could not seem to comprehend what I meant by pests, and making responsible choices in how we treat animals. If you want to believe that the lives of animals are just as or more important than humans, that is fine, but I will say again I am glad that most of the world does not think this way.. and I am sure the people in Tohoku right now are glad that the people in charge are focusing their attention on them and not a bunch of cows.
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05-22-2011, 12:17 PM
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On a less subjective note, I would rather test medicines initially on animals than on people. There's been many cases with humans being critically injured, disabled or killed for having volunteered to test drugs. I would rather test on animals, specifically vermin and pests, because - as mentioned - they harbour diseases and the like and are more of a plague to mankind than a benefit, and that way test on humans when I have a relative idea that it's safe to. Yes, I also value humans more than animals. Like RickOShay said, I would 99% of the time choose a human life over that of an animals, if your mother and your pet rat were both dying and you could only choose one, which would you pick? Final comment, yes, testing on rats alone would be stupid, but, as I said, surely it's better to test on them initially before moving onto humans? I realise this is a very subjective, emotive argument, but I really think there's little else to be said that other members haven't already said, and much more eloquently too.
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05-22-2011, 03:20 PM
Which animal would save a human, care for him, feed him etc? NONE!
Which human would save an animal in distress, care for it, feed it? Almost anyone! Stop comparing us to animals, thats just nonsense. From what do you think the word humane comes? And who is more humane, the animals or the humans? A dog, a cat, even rats, kill the pups of another from the same race just to have its genes past on, which people do that? Bad people will always exist, but they are not the majority. There will always be animal haters, rapists, serial killers, even bullies that would like to pick on someone. But that means we are not better than the animals? Come on.... WAKE UP! This isn't about not wanting to save, it's exactly what anyone said, there aren't enough people to care even for the people in that area. "Manganese? Is that manga language?" - lol? 
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