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[Powermad147]

Originally Posted by MMM

Although I think we have too many threads like this, I will put my two yen in.

There is always two sides two every story.

As for the college marathon rules banning foreigners. You should know these are VERY competetive races with longtime rivalries. The reason the rules were changed was NOT to keep foreigner out, but a couple schools, in particular, started giving FOUR-YEAR SCHOLARSHIPS to Kenyans simply so the group of them could run the race every year. It wasn't change out of racism, but in the spirit of sportsmanship. Most of the colleges wouldn't consider stooping to that level to win the race, but it just started turning into a blowout the last few years (if my memory is correct) and was basically ruining the race. It wasn't the Kenyan runners fault, but the underhanded play by the school officials.

What is often seen as racist by non-Japanese is usually what I see as Japanese low-self esteem.

In my experience, in general Japanese hate themselves a lot more than they hate foriegners.

MMM, The universal voice of reason on JF =P

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Powermad147

MMM, The universal voice of reason on JF =P

Ha ha ha! We could use more!

[xYinniex]

I found out that he was a Buddhist

And he HATES? I'm sure that doesn't lead a peaceful life it's suppose to.

[SSJup81]

That's one hypocritical Budhist.

[Amnell]

Originally Posted by Gorotsuki

Oh? I swore this land was stolen and the people trying to get back are now not allowed to come here to what was once their own land... Enforcing the law but who said that the law is always just?

When did we tell them "they can't come back"? Native Americans are free to come and go as they please anywhere in the country. It just so happens that they don't move much because the government wanted to socialize their lives as "consolation". If you ask me, they'd have been better off being wiped out than subjected to the system they're stuck in now (fate worse than death). It's really sad.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Most Americans are simple minded. Like, 99.9% of them.

MMM already responded to this diplomatically, so allow me to be un-diplomatic. Go screw yourself.

First, I want to know where you got that number--if it's just some arbitrary bullsht you made up to be illustrative, or if you actually read that somewhere.

Second, what's your criteria for 'simple-minded'? Do you, yourself, pass the criteria, or fit the criteria?

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

I have met a lot of Americans, and it seems their attitude and personality always shares a similar trait. They are all rude, but dont realize it. Even when they are trying to be polite, like last week, I was on the back of a motorbike with the boyfriend of my girlfriends cousin, an American. He loves Thailand, and has a Thai wife, so he is trying to be polite. But he speeds down a crowded street tooting the horn loud. I mean, he was saying "Excuse me, sorry" a lot, but the whole ordeal was noisy and interupting, and I felt embarrassed being with him. Even when they try, they fail. I always see this. Also I think what they are taught in school is a big one. Almost all schools are pro american toward history. Considering the shameful history the country has, I think people who think the actions taken in the 40's and 70's and so on are just are pretty fuckin warped people. The amount of things and infulences an american has to ignore in their country, in both media, home and school, in order to be a polite, truly open minded person are so great, it is such few people who make it through all this to be decent people.

I understand your feelings about American policies in the world scene, and your unfortunate experiences with some Americans. For such a well-read individual, your childish white-washing of American citizens as one way or another is nothing short of ignorant.

Some of the most crass, rude, and out of control people I ever met in Japan were from Australia and New Zealand. Nary a care for the Japanese culture, a couple of these guys were as drunk and as rude in Japanese bars as human beings could be. One New Zealander I knew was arrested and eventually deported for following a girl into a public bathroom and taking pictures of her over the door of the stall.

But never in a million years would it have occured to me to associate that behavior with all the surely decent folks from Australia and New Zealand. That young man in particular wasn't "a New Zealander who did bad stuff" but "Mike who did bad stuff". I have been around long enough to know there are all kinds of people in America and the world and when you make too many assumptions about people from a certain place, you are bound to get bit in the ass.

For someone trying to expand his mind, you should first start by letting go of some hateful baggage. That's only going to slow you down and reflect poorly on you.

[Amnell]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

I have met a lot of Americans, and it seems their attitude and personality always shares a similar trait. They are all rude, but dont realize it. Even when they are trying to be polite, like last week, I was on the back of a motorbike with the boyfriend of my girlfriends cousin, an American. He loves Thailand, and has a Thai wife, so he is trying to be polite. But he speeds down a crowded street tooting the horn loud. I mean, he was saying "Excuse me, sorry" a lot, but the whole ordeal was noisy and interupting, and I felt embarrassed being with him. Even when they try, they fail. I always see this. Also I think what they are taught in school is a big one. Almost all schools are pro american toward history. Considering the shameful history the country has, I think people who think the actions taken in the 40's and 70's and so on are just are pretty fuckin warped people. The amount of things and infulences an american has to ignore in their country, in both media, home and school, in order to be a polite, truly open minded person are so great, it is such few people who make it through all this to be decent people.

You didn't answer my second question....

Anyway.

So, you've met a lot of Americans, eh? Okay... I've met a lot of Mexicans. Of the ones that I've met, most couldn't speak English well at all, had less-than-perfect hygiene, love to oogle women (especially blondes), and swear every third word. By your logic, that would mean that every Mexican is that way. Hrm....

Your American friend who was speeding down the street... At least he was trying to be polite? In America, a motorist apologizing at all to a pedestrian or another motorist is pretty rare--unless there was actually an accident of some kind. Being able to drive about five MPH over the speed limit is an expected 'liberty', and a lot of people carry that out to "drive fast everywhere". His behaviour would only have been strange here because he was actually apologizing. A lot of people would think, "Oh, what a nice guy!" And get on with their day.

Every country teaches their own version of history. Don't even try to deny it. Saying history is unbiased is like saying politics is honest. It just isn't true.

Shameful history? What's shameful? Relocation of Native populations aside, what have we done that's any worse than any other country? No, scratch that. Even WITH the relocations, how is our history worse than any other country's? Iraq, for example. They dropped chemical bombs on their own people. Japan--there was a native population there, also, before what we think of today as "Japanese" that are now more segregated and discriminated that the Blacks ever were in America. Germany killed hundreds of thousands nof Jews and started one of the bloodiest wars in the last three hundred years. Rome invaded the Middle-East over silly religious beliefs. Persia tried to subjugate the entire known world. The Aztecs sacrificed thousands of their own people to the gods.

How is our history any more shameful than any other?

Regardless of what you might think, Americans are no more or less polite or simple-minded as a whole than any people. We're humans, just like you. As such, we have the same flaws. Our cultures are different, so some things we do may seem rude, but that goes both ways (good example: it's rude in the West to slurp your noodles, but in Japan it's a sign that you are enjoying the food).

If anyone here is close minded, I'd say it's you.

[Gorotsuki]

So what if white people are the minority...does that really matter?


I forgot what place it is now but its a rather big place in the states where white people make up 10% of the population and control 93% of everything..

Oh and tenchu you call that mugging? What happened in the past isn't mugging in some sort of way.

Oh and don't call me sweety its disgusting.


To the poster above me:

The reason why America has such a shameful history (or why it seems) is because much of the horrible things in this countries history only stoped a short while ago not thousands or hundreds of years ago like most of the things you stated besides the halocaust. Only a little over half of the people killed were jews so its not like just jews lets not forget some ethnics and homosexuals.

[SSJup81]

Originally Posted by Amnell

Your American friend who was speeding down the street... At least he was trying to be polite? In America, a motorist apologizing at all to a pedestrian or another motorist is pretty rare--

Incredibly. Try going to New York City. I fear for the pedestrians there. Up there, seems that the drivers always have the right of way.

Regardless of what you might think, Americans are no more or less polite or simple-minded as a whole than any people. We're humans, just like you. As such, we have the same flaws. Our cultures are different, so some things we do may seem rude, but that goes both ways (good example: it's rude in the West to slurp your noodles, but in Japan it's a sign that you are enjoying the food).

I was telling my cousin about that one. He said, "Well, if I ever go to Japan and to a Ramen shop, I'll slurp it."

It's interesting how what's considered rude in one country isn't in another. I'm sure my old elementary school etiquette teacher would have a fit over the soup slurping thing. lol

[Amnell]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

I am not like that, but I am not normal. I could never consider murder of the innocent as just, ...

That makes you out of the ordinary? Good god, how full of yourself are you? Nobody, except the criminally insane and sociopathic, condones the murder of the innocent. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, sadly.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

But I cant think a single culture that has done any better. Christian, Muslim, Viking, Persian, Roman, African, Aztec, Egyptian.

... That was MY point. So why were you saying that America has a "shameful" history when you seem to already know that it's not any worse than anybody else???

Originally Posted by Tenchu

You have really done nothing special.

Given your post a while back about being in Thailand, I assume you're Chinese (even if not :P ). So let me ask this: What has China done that's so special? Before you answer that, define "special," 'cause I just had the thought I might be misinterpreting your meaning.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

They are trying to say the freedoms I appreciate in my life are consequence of this savagery. It is rubbed in the worlds face and called okay. Go away anyone who says that is okay.

Not sure what you're talking about.... Again, I'm operating under the assumption that you're not an American National.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

I am a man who takes particular offense to the way Americans are through their culture and stuff.

If that's the case, you have no business trying to be all "international." If you can't accept that a culture is how it is, then don't bother with other cultures. I went to Jamaica last fall and was rather surprised by the culture there. I was even pretty intimidated. Do I disrespect Jamaica or the Jamaican people for their culture? No. I might think some of their customs are strange and note that they'd be unacceptable here, but I wouldn't fault them for it.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Yeah, you are right, most people are dumb. My bad. ...

Originally Posted by Tenchu

SORRY. Okay, Americans are really no different than any other people, happy.

For some reason, I'm just not sensing any sincerity there. I'm not happy. You say it, but I can tell you don't believe it. Sure, you might be pissed about the war. A lot of people are--you're not a special case. Most people don't use it as an excuse to spout a bunch of bullsh;t about American culture. Believe me, the majority of the people pissed by this war are Americans--a lot of us aren't sure what our government's up to and we're getting pretty antsy.

Until you become more open minded and matured a little, don't talk about America like that again. It'll only get you into trouble.

Originally Posted by SSJup81

I was telling my cousin about that one. He said, "Well, if I ever go to Japan and to a Ramen shop, I'll slurp it."

It's interesting how what's considered rude in one country isn't in another. I'm sure my old elementary school etiquette teacher would have a fit over the soup slurping thing. lol

I would, too XD . But I wouldn't go so far as to Japan-ify my name . Well, I would on request. I would try my best to respect the culture, but I'd also make it known that I have one of my own, too.

This is if I were visiting, of course.