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[MMM]

Tenchu is Australian.

[SSJup81]

Originally Posted by Amnell

Believe me, the majority of the people pissed by this war are Americans--a lot of us aren't sure what our government's up to and we're getting pretty antsy.

There are a lot of people who were against the war in general. As a matter of fact, at another message board I go to, a lot of people have complaints against the Bush Administration, especially that whole lie about there being "Weapons of Mass destruction", and using that as an excuse to invade in the first place.

I would, too XD . But I wouldn't go so far as to Japan-ify my name . Well, I would on request. I would try my best to respect the culture, but I'd also make it known that I have one of my own, too.

This is if I were visiting, of course.

Same here, for the most part, and if I did do something rude unknowingly [hopefully not], I would hope that someone would kindly and politely inform me of it so that I can correct it. If I were to stay with a host family, I think I would make this request after the formalities of introductions.

[Amnell]

Originally Posted by MMM

Tenchu is Australian.

Good to know.... I can still ask the same question, though. China, Australia, doesn't matter. I still am not sure by what is meant by "special," though :P

[Amnell]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

I have never found an American who truly believes what you said. ALL Americans I have met...

And have you met ALL Americans? Unlikely. If you want to talk about WW2 rather than Iraq, fine (everyone's pissy about Iraq--most people have gotten over WW2 by this point o_O ). We bombed Nagasaki and Hiroshima. We killed a damn lot of people. What would have happened had we not? The Japanese government would have started ordering more conscriptions, America would have stormed the beaches of Japan, a long-fucking land war would have ensued, and millions of Japanese and Americans would have died--the over-all death toll for Japan would have easily been three times as high as it was with the two bombs. Not to mention that Russia was poised to strike Japan, also, which would have cost MORE Japanese lives and then some Russian lives! It's horrible, I don't condone the killing of innocent people any more than you do. But think about how many more innocent people (whether caught in the battle or conscripted by the government) would have been killed had we not. It was the lesser of two evils. No one I have ever talked to believes that it was "okay" for us to have used those weapons. The consensus is simply that it was better than the alternative.

You must be sticking your face in odd places to be in Australia and still recieving that.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

See above. That is a uniquely American perspective. ...

See above.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

I mean special as in the bad kind of special. ...

I understand now... Okay. So then why were you trying to paint America and its people as some kind of scourge-of-the-Earth that makes other countries look like prancing ponies and rainbows?

Originally Posted by Tenchu

I am talking about the way the US does these things, ... with the same kind of government and laws. Everything they are doing is being rubbed in. But they are sick. It is disgusting.

Funny you should say that. America and Australia really aren't very different. Kind of in the way that Canada and America are different. Our countries are founded on very similar principles, have very similar laws and political beliefs (socialism and parliament aside). You must hate your own country, too, then. o_O

Originally Posted by Tenchu

I said all were about the same, I admit that, you are not listening. Do you not realize America is in EVERYONES face saying their way is the only way. That is what is different. It is bloody rude.

o_O I've never gotten in anyone's face and said "The American way is the only way." I don't know anyone else who has. I don't know of any major political instance where it was said or implied that the American way was the only way. Actually, the only thing I can think of where America told someone else to shove it was when we ignored the UN a few years ago. And whatever individuals you've met are isolated instances--you can't judge the whole country based on a dozen or two yanks you met in Thailand or whatever.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

...repeat myself ...

My turn. Don't talk about America until you've opened up a bit. Clearly, you have not psychologically matured enough yet to know that isolated cases are not indicative of a whole, the concept of the lesser of two evils, the world isn't black and white, and you don't know everything.

Just for the record, how old are you, anyway?


Oh, and you still haven't actually answered my question:

Originally Posted by Amnell

Second, what's your criteria for 'simple-minded'? Do you, yourself, pass the criteria, or fit the criteria?

[QuoyaNatsume]

Well let them feel how they feel...because sometimes I feel like "you foreign bastards, why don't you get out of my country & leave jobs for the ppl who were born here & are legal!!
But then I'm like if America made half of their own shit and stop meddling in other ppl's affairs then we'd still be #1 on just about every chart. Then I meet ppl from different countries & continents & its like...hey your cool & I learn something new about another culture and it's worth it!
What can you say, we're all human but have the tendencies of animals so stuff like this is only expected sometimes.

[Amnell]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

But it was still evil. ...

No doubt. But you're wrong. Had we engaged in a land war, the total number of deaths, military and civilian would have been much larger. The Japanese military was shite by that time. The Japanese way was never surrender. To not surrender, with a crumbling military, meant conscripting civilians. They would have gone through their entire population before giving up. Yes, civilian deaths would have been intentional. For the American GI's, it would have been a matter of "I live/he lives".

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Think about everything you are saying right now. Saying killing kids is okay. ...

Did I say that? Anywhere? I haven't been ignoring what you're saying. And I don't even see how that particular response has anything to do with the part that I said to which you were responding. In any case... I guess my assumptions about Australians have been 100%, too. Every single one I've talked to online has been a bigoted anti-american piece of shit who thought he was all that. No offense, this has just been my experience (I know that strongly resembles ad hominem--I'm merely stating my perception of my experience, albeit bluntly). Oh, this also includes the Aussie exchange student who sat next to me in my drama class my junior year of high school.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

am 21. Not psychologically ...

Okay... You're a year or two older than me. Why have I had the impression I've been arguing with someone a year or two younger than me? That's what I meant by "psychologically matured". You're forming concepts in your head and defending them in the same manner as a fifteen year old. Grow up. You're an adult. Think like one. Refer to my previous post for specifics about what I mean.

o_O Kicked out of the country, eh? I won't ask why (privacy )....

[SSJup81]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

The better alternative if someone truly believes it wrong to murder civilians is to have entered the country on foot, and fought them with a knife, gun and rifle. After the dust would have settled any civilians dead would have been 99.9% intentional. And yes, I acknowledge America is not the only ones to fight in this cowardly way, even if they are the ones who have done it most. And that is why I say the whole world is in such a shameful state.

The only problem with this statement, is that you're still saying that every single solitary citizen of America agrees with everything the government decides that we citizens have no control over. In other words, you're saying that everyone here acts the same or thinks the same way. To me, this shows ignorance. No person should make the assumption that all inhabitants of any country agrees with everything the government does or that everyone thinks the same way in general. That's like my saying that all males are scum because there are a few bad apples out there that I've had to put up with. Everyone's different. I'm personally Anti-war and Anti-Violence myself and so are a lot of others. I'm one of those who feel that civilians shouldn't even be allowed to carry guns around or own them, unless you're a cop or in the military. I also feel that if someone wants to declare war on any country, the only people fighting should be the leaders of each country, since they're the ones that want the war in the first place and it shouldn't be a literal fight, but more so a game. It's terrible that innocent people have to be brought into it. Just call me an idealist. I know this is never going to happen, though.

Think about everything you are saying right now. Saying killing kids is okay. Ignoreing what I am saying. This is what I described about Americans in my first post. Now I have met yet another American who is the same. I think my assumption so far has been 100% correct.

I don't think that poster meant that. I think the poster was saying that more would've, unfortunately, died, but I'm not that person, so I can't say.

Just so you know, before you say something stupid, I was in the Army before I got kicked out of my country and lost my job, and I have seen the shit going on with my own eyes

Why were you kicked out?

[StOrM]

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ياني خرماان

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[Amnell]

CONSCRIPTIONS would have been called up had we got into a land war. A conscription, in case you didn't know, is a draft. And in Japan at the time, you wouldn't have been put in jail for not responding to the draft. Much worse would have happened. Hence, people that were unwilling to fight and by your definition innocent would have been put in front of American guns against their will and killed. The death toll for "innocents" was smaller as it happened than it would have been otherwise. The children that you seem so concerned about would have either been killed in crossfire, grown up to be drafted, or used to fight the Americans. The people killed would have been the same in the end. I'm not saying this again.

American GI's aren't pussies, no. I said it was a matter of "I live/he lives". That's also called mortal combat. Fight to the death. In that situation, most anyone would pick "I live" first.

An honourable man would see the lesser of evils and choose it, conscious of the cost of human lives. Honourable men don't cower from making choices because someone else might get hurt. If honourable men were like that, this world wouldn't have gotten very far.

Sounds like you have a lot of resentment based on some experiences rather than on information, from what I gather. I can tell you're a hard-head, like me. Lol, it's no wonder we've carried on this long :P .

And don't say shit like "Yanks can't see it." We're not fucking blind. We don't approve of killing children or others any more than you do. We're just a little smarter and realise that it happens and we deal with it. Do you think we uncork the champagne whenever a news report of a school getting hit with a 500 lb bomb meant for the arms depot right across the street comes in? If you do, god help ya, discussion over.

80%, huh? What the fuck do you know? Have you even been to America? Just how many Americans have you met? If it's less than 800,000 , I recommend you stop talking right now because a handful is NOT a cross-section of American society. For that matter, neither is 800,000. That'd be enough for a cross-section of California, maybe.

Seriously. Pull your head out of your ass. Take a look at reality. Read Ayn Rand. Re-evaluate your opinion of your own country ('cause I get the feeling that it's based purely on emotion), then re-evaluate your opinion of the rest of the world. You're a good guy, I can tell. Just look around a bit more.

[MMM]

Amnell, best not to get too worked up over Tenchu. As you can see, he is coming from a certain perspective, and your opinions are filtered through that perspective before you even type a word. 99.9% to 80% is pretty good progress in a concession from him, so consider that a victory.