Tattoo

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by dirtyroboto

I went to school with a few kids who thought it was cool to get a swastika on their forehead and neck, where are they now?
I have walked in many shoes and yours are not special! If you have a valid reason to get marked then good for you. Otherwise you are the dick shoved out the door. In Japan you are the dick shoved out the door while me and my buddies laugh at you.

People like you don't build countries, people like you are the reason that countries fail. People like me build countries and are fricking proud of it. People like me love to live in Japan. Japan is a fricking proud country and the people are at least fricking proud enough to discriminate against people like you.
Go and show your fricking tatts to people who care. You will never get any respect here and by your attitude, anywhere on this side of the planet.

I knew a few kids who didn't have swastika tattoos on their forehead and neck, but were still total 'dicks'. Where are they now?

I certainly hope you do not mean 'people with tattoos' when you are calling out 'people like you'. I don't really appreciate being told that I'm causing my country to fail, and you're naturally successful just because I happen to have a tattoo. I wasn't aware that by getting it I was signing a document declaring me doomed to failure.

Throwing around 'people like you' phrases don't make your points anymore valid than his. They just make you come off as a 'total dick'

[MMM]

I have a feeling he is talking about Tenchu's rather pointed and hateful comments towards Japan.

[dirtyroboto]

Nathan, as MMM points out, I am on Tenchu's tail on that post.

I don't have any issue with tattoo's but rather the people who go around pissing on Japan because they don't understand about Onsen rules.

I also hope that when I said "people like you" you were not putting yourself in the same line as Tenchu if you read his posts.
If you read his posts and agree with him then you can take it that the "people like you" reference is indeed aimed at you.

[redline]

I have tried to remain neutral on this subject, but I feel its is time for me to say something. Tenchu, having tattoos, and being a practitioner of muay thai myself I completely agree with you that tattoos should be accepted everywhere and by everyone especially those of religious meaning. But, this argument isn't supposed to be about people that don't accept tattoos. This argument is about onsens that turn tattooed people away. Just because they turn you away doesnt mean that they don't accept you or your tattoos, what they dont accept is the said yakuza, and the only way to keep them out without causing trouble is to ban ALL people with tattoo's from the onsen, and is not meant as an insult or a way to discriminate people with tattoos. I hope that you can change your mind about the Japanese people because how can they accept our culture if we can't accept theirs, "do onto others as you wish others to do onto you".

[Columbine]

Originally Posted by redline

I have tried to remain neutral on this subject, but I feel its is time for me to say something. Tenchu, having tattoos, and being a practitioner of muay thai myself I completely agree with you that tattoos should be accepted everywhere and by everyone especially those of religious meaning. But, this argument isn't supposed to be about people that don't accept tattoos. This argument is about onsens that turn tattooed people away. Just because they turn you away doesnt mean that they don't accept you or your tattoos, what they dont accept is the said yakuza, and the only way to keep them out without causing trouble is to ban ALL people with tattoo's from the onsen, and is not meant as an insult or a way to discriminate people with tattoos. I hope that you can change your mind about the Japanese people because how can they accept our culture if we can't accept theirs, "do onto others as you wish others to do onto you".

That's a good point Redline. Outside of the onsen setting, those very people who said 'sorry, no entry' might well be very accommodating of a person and their tattoos. There's a further line of distinction between the rules of the business and personal preference. You never know, onsen owners who do allow in those with tattoos might get a lot of grief from communities surrounding them or their contemporaries, as owning a 'hotbed for yakuza' and 'bringing down the standards of the tradition' and so forth. Their personal preferences and opinions might be quite different.

I think the point about the celebs with tattoos is a good point as well, but at the same time, Onsen and V-kei are aimed at very different audiences. I'd met plenty of young Japanese who had never been to an onsen, or even to a temple, but listened to rock music, and the exact reverse amongst the older generations. In short, I don't think celebs with tattoos tend to be the staple of the grannies and salarymen who ARE the staple of onsen. As for the adult film actress, well, but no matter how successful you are in that profession, it's still surrounded by an air of sleaze and considered a bit 'dirty'. In fact, she could technically be damaging the general view of women with tattoo's by marking them as porn actresses and loose women.

Anyway, I think it's fair to say that opinions towards tattoos might be changing, but that might not be a wholly universal change in Japan; just certain demographics.

[tksensei]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Yes, you're right. So, acknowledging this, why won't you accept Japanese are a bunch of racist ***** ****** ********** ********** ************ [many swear words]?

I'm guessing I'm at the stage where I could make a thread "10 reasons why you hate the Japanese".

I admired an ancient culture of Bushido and Samurai, but that's long gone. What's left today is a bunch of socially deprived men, perverted, morally corrupt (don't let me go into their porn realm), brainwashing (all of their business revolve around basic concepts of psychology that amount to brainwashing in order to sell more), and just plain racist people.

Sure, their food is good (once you pick the endangered species out). But I'm coming to find the bad outweighs the good, and they've a deep underlying social problems that retard themselves from the rest of the advanced world.

At first, they come off as a civilization mecca in the heart of Asia, but it seems they're far from it. Even as bad as Thailand.

So....you're an ignorant, bigoted fool, aren't you?

Originally Posted by Tenchu

All I'm saying is I take issue with being turned away from a place because I have tattoos.

You should have thought about that before you chose to get tattoos, fool.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Is there any chance left in the universe I will ever be accepted into a Sumo stable?

LOL! Is there any chance in the universe that you could make it in Sumo? I reckon the tats are the least of the reasons why you never would.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

You're the definition of asiaphile, MMM.
.

And you're the definition of an ignorant, racist asshole.

[redline]

Originally Posted by tksensei

So....you're an ignorant, bigoted fool, aren't you?




You should have thought about that before you chose to get tattoos, fool.




LOL! Is there any chance in the universe that you could make it in Sumo? I reckon the tats are the least of the reasons why you never would.




And you're the definition of an ignorant, racist asshole.

Way to be hypocritical man. All you did was insult him and made no effort at all to argue a point on why he is wrong. Also he didn't exactly have a choice with getting a tattoo. Tattoo's are religiously part of muay thai don't make fun of it.

[tksensei]

Originally Posted by redline

Way to be hypocritical man. All you did was insult him and made no effort at all to argue a point on why he is wrong. Also he didn't exactly have a choice with getting a tattoo. Tattoo's are religiously part of muay thai don't make fun of it.

All I intended to do was insult him. That is all a filthy racist merits. And he obviously had a choice in getting tattooed. I couldn't give less of a crap about his tattoos. He sounds like the kind of young dope who ends up getting inked up all over his neck and hands and all that at 22 and spends the rest of his days pretending he can't understand why no one takes him seriously. You know, an idiot.

[JayAyeAre]

to associate tattoos with criminal organizations is ridicoulous.

[samurai007]

Originally Posted by JayAyeAre

to associate tattoos with criminal organizations is ridicoulous.

In Japan, it isn't. Traditionally, many yakuza get tattoos and very, very few Japanese that are not yakuza get tattoos. That may be changing nowadays, but Japan can still be a very traditional society in many ways, and tattoos are instinctual linked to criminals in many Japanese minds.