Jrock Makeup for Caucasians

[PockyMePink]

Originally Posted by NanteNa

I disagree on the race part. The VK style makeup was fitted to suit Asian eyelids - as the style was founded in Asia. That's why they use the eyeliner half-way around the eye and make them look rather round in the outer V - to make the eye itself look rounded and, actually, more caucasian. Also eyeliner-dominated looks like these...





... are to keep focus on the crease and the round-ness of the eyes. As you can obviously tell the dark colors are focused in the outer V and even crosses the line-angle that is used for measuring eyebrow-plucking. The whole point is to make the eye look caucasian.

Most white people don't have the weak crease and the delicate lids that this makeup style is designed for. That's why it looks like crap on pretty much any other nationality than slanted eyed ones - because their eyes are already ROUND. It's all about the makeup technique that's been adapted to fit the slanted eye's proportions.

I have only seen ONE white person pull off this kind of makeup. ONE person - out of the many n00bs trying to work this look. I'd say.. unless you REALLY know what makeup does to your face in shape, proportions etc. STAY AWAY from these kinds of looks. That's just my opinion.

I think you've missed my point. I said the stylists are what makes it look good. Both examples you have shown were done by professionals. Show me an example of a Caucasian having professionally styled VK hair and make-up. You can't compare professional work to that of someone who learned from youtube "learn how to do VK make-up" videos.

And of course, it does in fact matter to know what makeup does to your face in shape and whatnot. If someone had the knowledge and skill, all it could take for a Caucasian to achieve this style is a different approach than the Asian one. Add something here, take away something there...

Besides, not all Caucasians have the same eyelids, and neither do all Asian's. Like I said....it may still be my opinion, but I highly doubt it's the race that makes it look good.

[Cakes]

Damn, I wish I'd noticed that little curl of hair escaping...



...Yeh, I see what you mean about the heavy stuff. Not that I have the right facilities for anything really over-the-top, but even so.


I'm going to agree to disagree anyway, what does it matter if people look like shit if they're having fun doing so? x3

[Salvanas]

Originally Posted by Cakes

Damn, I wish I'd noticed that little curl of hair escaping...



...Yeh, I see what you mean about the heavy stuff. Not that I have the right facilities for anything really over-the-top, but even so.


I'm going to agree to disagree anyway, what does it matter if people look like shit if they're having fun doing so? x3

Awesome, so if I stripped naked and walked outside, you wouldn't mind seeing my genitals out in the air? =D

Even if it was fun?

Do remember, people like to take the piss out of people who try something and fail at it badly, for fun. So I guess if both parties are having fun, there is no problem, right.

I can understand the fact that if it's fun, who cares. But it doesn't stop the fact that many people can't pull it off, and ends up looking terrible.

[Cakes]

Originally Posted by Salvanas

Awesome, so if I stripped naked and walked outside, you wouldn't mind seeing my genitals out in the air? =D

Even if it was fun?

Do remember, people like to take the piss out of people who try something and fail at it badly, for fun. So I guess if both parties are having fun, there is no problem, right.

I can understand the fact that if it's fun, who cares. But it doesn't stop the fact that many people can't pull it off, and ends up looking terrible.

Sure I wouldn't, sweetheart. =D By Jove, it'd be a lovely sight. Cold, though.

Well, someone else's looking silly doesn't hurt you. And without silly noobers like me, at what would you be able to laugh? Most people who dress in non-typical styles, however well, realise they're going to be laughed at, and if they're not mature enough to cope with that then why are they doing it?

I don't know, I'm sorry. It wasn't meant as an attack on your personal views, please don't take it as such.

[NanteNa]

Originally Posted by PockyMePink

I think you've missed my point. I said the stylists are what makes it look good. Both examples you have shown were done by professionals. Show me an example of a Caucasian having professionally styled VK hair and make-up. You can't compare professional work to that of someone who learned from youtube "learn how to do VK make-up" videos.

And of course, it does in fact matter to know what makeup does to your face in shape and whatnot. If someone had the knowledge and skill, all it could take for a Caucasian to achieve this style is a different approach than the Asian one. Add something here, take away something there...

Besides, not all Caucasians have the same eyelids, and neither do all Asian's. Like I said....it may still be my opinion, but I highly doubt it's the race that makes it look good.

And you missed my point. I'm not saying that the photos I posted are what the artists can create themselves. I'm just pointing out that this is the typical VK look that many cosplayers try to achieve.
And I'm no pro, but I can do it better than many- and I was simply sayin' that I don't think people should ''just'' go for it, if they have no clue what they're doing and then flash is about in public. They WILL get criticized. Practice makes perfect - but it doesn't look better out and about than it does in front of your mirror.

Don't be a picky now. You know I'm referring to the standard Asian eyelid vs. the standard Caucasian eyelid.

I'm not all against Caucasians cosplaying nor dressing up as Ruki from The GazettE - as long as they can do it RIGHT.

[Salvanas]

Originally Posted by Cakes

Sure I wouldn't, sweetheart. =D By Jove, it'd be a lovely sight. Cold, though.

Well, someone else's looking silly doesn't hurt you. And without silly noobers like me, at what would you be able to laugh? Most people who dress in non-typical styles, however well, realise they're going to be laughed at, and if they're not mature enough to cope with that then why are they doing it?

I don't know, I'm sorry. It wasn't meant as an attack on your personal views, please don't take it as such.

It would be rather chilly, you're right. And luckily for people, I don't like the cold too much.

Good point, I guess someone has to take the fall for the sake of entertainment

Don't apologise, I wasn't offended. My opinions are rather blunt, and stark at times, so they can come out harsh, it's not meant to be such a way.

[Cakes]

Originally Posted by Salvanas

It would be rather chilly, you're right. And luckily for people, I don't like the cold too much.

Good point, I guess someone has to take the fall for the sake of entertainment

Don't apologise, I wasn't offended. My opinions are rather blunt, and stark at times, so they can come out harsh, it's not meant to be such a way.

D'aw, what a shame. c:

Nah, I misunderstood your point. ^^ Sorry for that.

Aha, I think I'll take you on your word now and stick to the normal makeup!

[Salvanas]

Originally Posted by Cakes

D'aw, what a shame. c:

Nah, I misunderstood your point. ^^ Sorry for that.

Aha, I think I'll take you on your word now and stick to the normal makeup!

My my, my lady, it sounds like as if you WANT to see my genitals!

You could perhaps pull it off, however, normal make up suits you so much more. Thus, there is no point in going for a VK look, when you look great without it.

[orewasenshi]

Tai, you're so full of it, we all know that you have not much to show ;D


Anyways, I've glanced over this thread enough to see everyone's view on this. I just personally wonder why people get so worked up over a materialistic thing like VK make-up, but THAT'S JUST ME.

To be quite frank, I think the person trying to pull off the VK look should know how:

1. To use make-up properly.
2. To actually know how to NOT make yourself look like a clown
3. To stop trying so hard to pull it off and make it your own style, just have some similarities.

My point is stop trying to be something that you aren't. If you wanna pull off the VK look, MAKE IT HAPPEN IN YOUR OWN FREAKIN' WAY.

[YoshimiTheEthereal]

I think VK makeup looks WAY better on Caucasians than normal makeup. Normal makeup is hideous. That's why I've never worn it like that.