Do you think overweight girls or thinner girls...

[Nyororin]

*sigh*

This topic was actually surprising me at first, with the reasonable discussion and lack of bashing. Unfortunately that didn`t last.

Please, move on from this or the thread will be closed.

[JasonTakeshi]

Originally Posted by robhol

JasonTakeshi:
I don't know if that's you or your sister/girlfriend or something (or else why you seem to be taking this as the mother of all personal insults) but I and many others think it's ridiculous and we are, despite your objections, free to think that, and express it too.

If you read all my topics/replies, you will see that I make a big deal out of something which seems "insignificant". That's what I do mostly.

She's by no means connected to me. And I'm a guy bth.

Originally Posted by robhol

That's both the downside and the upside with the internet; people's opinions tend to be expressed whether you like them or not. Frankly, whining about it for another two pages is most likely not going to change that opinion nor prevent it from being expressed yet again.

For the record; it doesn't mean that we're brainwashed. The fact is, you can't say an opinion is invalid just because it's not unique like yours.

Do you follow standards? If so, apparently she does NOT match that standards. Now guess what I mean by this.

Originally Posted by robhol

You'll just have to accept that mostly everybody here thinks it looks ridiculous, and if you feel the need to do some misguided and pointless extrapolation about everybody being fashion-industry brainwashed zombies set out to take over the world, then you'll just have to do that and be wrong.

Yet again, mostly doesn't mean the entire world. Or are you going to vouch for 6 billions?

@Nyororin

Are you saying we are bashing eachother?

This seems a healthy discussion. And we are actually on topic.

[MissMisa]

Do you follow standards? If so, apparently she does NOT match that standards. Now guess what I mean by this.

You keep saying this, but I'm a Lolita and a cosplayer, and I still think it's awful. And even if I wasn't, it doesn't mean my opinion is any less valid.

[JasonTakeshi]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

You keep saying this, but I'm a Lolita and a cosplayer, and I still think it's awful. And even if I wasn't, it doesn't mean my opinion is any less valid.

You are, in fact, a Lolita and a cosplayer. And the Fashion Moderator.

But tell me something - does your opinion actually makes her look ridiculous, or is it your pespective of "sense of fashion" that does?

Just because you think it is it doesn't actually mean it is. It goes down to that - your opinion.

[MissMisa]

Originally Posted by JasonTakeshi

You are, in fact, a Lolita and a cosplayer. And the Fashion Moderator.

But tell me something - does your opinion actually makes her look ridiculous, or is it your pespective of "sense of fashion" that does?

Just because you think it is it doesn't actually mean it is. It goes down to that - your opinion.

It's not my 'sense of fashion,' it's the fact that I personally feel it doesn't suit her. I never said because I think it is makes it so. I said I respect that your opinion might be different, but I'm also allowed to feel it looks silly while you might not.

I'm allowed to have an opinion on this outfit, just as you are. You'd have every right to like it, and so does the person wearing it.

You keep saying this, but I'm a Lolita and a cosplayer, and I still think it's awful.

So therefore, we agree that our opinions are different, and other people might think differently about her outfit.

So this is a dead end. Let's move on.

[JasonTakeshi]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

It's not my 'sense of fashion,' it's the fact that I personally feel it doesn't suit her. I never said because I think it is makes it so. I said I respect that your opinion might be different, but I'm also allowed to feel it looks silly while you might not.





So therefore, we agree that our opinions are different, and other people might think differently about her outfit.

So this is a dead end. Let's move on.

Yes. But keep in mind that just because you think so, it doesn't necessarily make it. Same goes to the other side of the coin.

And to finish it, I actually find it ridiculous. But I felt the need to be white knighting her.

Edit: But hey, don't misunderstand white knighting with trolling.

[TalnSG]

Early on in this discussion I agreed that Lolita is a potentially attractive look and I don't feel weight/build has much bearing on it.

But personally, outside of an anime convention (as in on the street). I think anyone over the age of about 5 or 6 look pretty ridiculous in the "style". Frankly I don't consider it a style; it is a costume. That is a subtle difference to some, but not to me.

[robhol]

I'm not sure what you mean by "standards" under the circumstances. All I know is I think it looks ludicrous. (And as a kind of nod to the main topic this thread started on, I might add that it has little to do with her "build" and more with the rest of the picture.)

And I'd really appreciate it if you stopped trying to tell me what I'm saying - I already know what I'm saying because I'm saying it.

I haven't tried to "vouch for" or speak for the entire world population, I simply meant most people in this thread (or maybe, in this forum) and I've based that claim on observing replies to that post. I think you're pretty much the only one yet to find much positive things about the whole deal and I just reacted at your seeming attempt to discredit "our" opinions for a wide variety of reasons - most or all of which were bad ones.

Now I have to admit I kinda like discussing random things (I have a shocking confession to make: fashion in general interests me as much as it does an average jellyfish) "for fun" once in a while, but I think I'm gonna drop the matter here.

I'm not intending this or anything else I've said as "bashing" (just stating my opinion) and I don't see how it can be construed as such, but I do see that it's kinda... far out from the thread's original topic, so I think this discussion either needs to end or get its own.

[MissMisa]

Originally Posted by TalnSG

Early on in this discussion I agreed that Lolita is a potentially attractive look and I don't feel weight/build has much bearing on it.

But personally, outside of an anime convention (as in on the street). I think anyone over the age of about 5 or 6 look pretty ridiculous in the "style". Frankly I don't consider it a style; it is a costume. That is a subtle difference to some, but not to me.

Just out of interest, would you consider other subcultures to be 'costumes,' such as goth, emo, punk etc? If you don't, then what would you say the difference is between these subcultures and the Lolita subculture?

[Koir]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

Just out of interest, would you consider other subcultures to be 'costumes,' such as goth, emo, punk etc? If you don't, then what would you say the difference is between these subcultures and the Lolita subculture?

Judging purely on the frequency of it being seen in the public, those three costume-based styles are more "accepted" than lolita. This is from a purely intellectual viewpoint as I have not see any of the four fashion styles in public myself.