Do you think overweight girls or thinner girls...

[seiki]

How big are we talking here? Like a little chubby or morbily obese mario?
Chubby always beats stick girls.

[Madame43]

corsets on overweight women/girls are a no no I think it also depends on what style of dress they wear (chubby girls) some styles look better on a full body and some styles fit better on a thinner frame. I think it all depends, both look great just know what looks right.

[ivorytoned]

The only thing that troubles me about bigger girls is when they don't know what size they are and wear clothes that are to small. wear lolita all you want as long as you know your measurements and your not falling out of it. that goes for everyone else too. the only thing that ruins a style is when people wear it poorly.

[adamante]

I think as long as you look good you can wear anything.

My issue is with being big in general. I'm not a fatty, but 5'10'' usually wearing a US14, so I'm just on the edge of what is catered for. Some Ls from regular Gothic stores have been about a a size too large, whereas if it's an Asian store I'll need all the XX's I can get.

But my problem isn't so much finding clothes that fit (there's always SOMEthing ...maybe not the ideal thing, but something similar) but wearing them. I feel comfortable being over 6' tall in Visual Kei gear with 6'' heels and trousers or a long skirt, but I'm conscious of my curvy legs and height in a Lolita dress. I feel like I should be wearing more "powerful" clothing than something so cute, because of my height first and my size second. But I love the fashion so much, and I think I look good in it, but I feel a bit awkward.

What does anyone think to that? Can you be chubby AND tall and pull off Lolita?

I realize Mana towers over anyone in his heels, but he's thin, so...

[HiryuuKi]

What does anyone think to that? Can you be chubby AND tall and pull off Lolita?

I realize Mana towers over anyone in his heels, but he's thin, so...

Sure you can! I would try to avoid corset's with the opening in front (I hope that made sense) since they enlargen your breast area... And make sure all the clothes are exactly your size, not slightly to large, or slightly to small... Especially if you're wearing kimino's...

What really matters in a style, is that you have confidence... You can look absolutely awsome if you have confidence, though with a lack of confidence, it's just doomed to fail...

Some of the lolita's I know, looks super awsome, even though they uses L, or XL...

And Japanese Lolita clothes, ugh... They looks super awsome! But the sizes are just... Not fitted for non-asians... The japanese brand Kera has some decent sizes though^^ But not much Lolita wear...

Aw yes, Mana*sight's dreamily*

[MikeB]

I think it's almost always a matter of personal taste, some people prefer slimmer women whereas others prefer women of a larger size. The key thing is that taste in people doesn't translate to people bullying other people as a consequence of how they look. I know this sounds old fashioned and perhaps even a little cliched, but it's really important to judge a person on the content of their character.

[WingsToDiscovery]

To be honest, style and fashion just aren't designed for "large" people. When companies enter a market to sell their clothing, they immediately target the small-average range. You will find niche companies who design larger clothing, but like I said, they're niche companies operating in a larger market, no pun intended.
This is not to say that larger people can't wear certain styles, however, many times they have to alter the styles to make them more flattering. Extremely thin girls have a hard time as well, but it's easier to dress a thin girl than a large girl when pertaining to high fashion.

[MikeB]

Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery

To be honest, style and fashion just aren't designed for "large" people. When companies enter a market to sell their clothing, they immediately target the small-average range. You will find niche companies who design larger clothing, but like I said, they're niche companies operating in a larger market, no pun intended.
This is not to say that larger people can't wear certain styles, however, many times they have to alter the styles to make them more flattering. Extremely thin girls have a hard time as well, but it's easier to dress a thin girl than a large girl when pertaining to high fashion.

That's true, but also perhaps a failing in the fashion industry as well as a potential cause for health issues for those persons naturally predisposed to be a little larger. It isn't neccessarily true that a person is always healthier if they are thinner; a fatter person, as a consequence of the extra energy and insulation is more likely to survive a long winter where there is comparative scarcity of food than a thinner person. Hence the need for body fat on larger aquatic animals existing around the antartic regions; seals, whales and so on. In temperate climates there isn't really any need for this extra fat and in warmer climates the extra insulation is a definite disadvantage.

Where we have an increasingly internationalised fashion scene, it seems somewhat unfair to favour one sort of person when people can look very different according to various social, economic and environmental factors. My sister, for example, is medium sized girl and an actress in the UK, I don't think that any reasonable person would take a look at her and call her fat, but in her earlier years she experienced some bullying, which when combined with the images she found in her fashion magazines, convinced her that firstly she was fat and that second she had to take drastic measures to correct a problem she didn't have. This resulted in her suffering from a serious eating disorder. She isn't alone, I'm sure.

Perhaps it would make better economic as well as health sense if the fashion industry as a whole marketed their products to a larger section of the world's population?

[adamante]

Like I said, I, personally, don't have a problem finding clothes. That's not to say it's easy - just try shopping for a pair of pants with me! XD - but I'm not of the "Damn the Evil Fashion Industry" persuasion. I realize it's made for thin people, and though it pisses me off occasionally, I'm grateful when things do fit me because it means I can be a part of the stylish crowd as opposed to wearing tents.

I'm also quite confident when I know I look good. But I think it's more of an issue than when I just dress "goth" or "punk", read as: a style I and the people around me know better, because Visual Kei and Lolita are relatively unknown here in the West, and are only understood as a subgenre of Goth, so people are less likely to understand. I'm fine with causing a scene, but if you have the "Wtf is that?!" reaction to deal with in ADDITION to "OMG GOTH LOL!!" you do have to be supersure of your look to stay confident. I can only deal with so much negativity from people at one time.

Another issue is, of course, finding out what's accepted within the scene. Hence my query. I can cope if I walk into a club where there's a Visual Kei event and some people glare, cause you always get people checking out each other's outfits. But I like knowing the general consensus first to be able to guess what the reaction will be, so I can be prepared.

[WingsToDiscovery]

Originally Posted by MikeB

That's true, but also perhaps a failing in the fashion industry as well as a potential cause for health issues for those persons naturally predisposed to be a little larger. It isn't neccessarily true that a person is always healthier if they are thinner; a fatter person, as a consequence of the extra energy and insulation is more likely to survive a long winter where there is comparative scarcity of food than a thinner person. Hence the need for body fat on larger aquatic animals existing around the antartic regions; seals, whales and so on. In temperate climates there isn't really any need for this extra fat and in warmer climates the extra insulation is a definite disadvantage.

Where we have an increasingly internationalised fashion scene, it seems somewhat unfair to favour one sort of person when people can look very different according to various social, economic and environmental factors. My sister, for example, is medium sized girl and an actress in the UK, I don't think that any reasonable person would take a look at her and call her fat, but in her earlier years she experienced some bullying, which when combined with the images she found in her fashion magazines, convinced her that firstly she was fat and that second she had to take drastic measures to correct a problem she didn't have. This resulted in her suffering from a serious eating disorder. She isn't alone, I'm sure.

Perhaps it would make better economic as well as health sense if the fashion industry as a whole marketed their products to a larger section of the world's population?

Not to seem harsh, but your first paragraph really is BS. It's unfortunate that most people do not understand that not everyone is built the same way, but your justification is almost hilarious, and if I were a large person, I would probably feel insulted if my counter-defense for being big is that I can survive bad weather, just like whales.

The "too skinny" argument is also pretty crappy. Being too skinny can cause health complications, but we're talking almost malnourished people, on average. Whereas someone can be as low as 15-25 lbs overweight and already begin to enter dangerous territory.
I like to use the "Money doesn't buy you happiness" analogy. I happen to disagree with that statement. The reason being, for every one filthy rich person you can find that's unhappy, I can find 1,000 impoverished people who are just as unhappy. Just as you can find one person who is skinny to the point of health complications, and I can find you 1,000 people who are pre-diabetics or worse. It's all relative.

As for changing the market to fit bigger people, would this be a positive or a negative? All things equal, most large people are fat, not just "big boned." So would we be encouraging the idea that it is OK to be fat, and that you'll be rewarded with alternative clothing styles no matter how much weight you want to put on? All while isolating the "small" crowd and simple reversing the roles?

It's unfortunate that your sister was bullied though, especially if she wasn't even that big to begin with. People's perception of what qualifies as being big is starting to become skewed.