Level of Japanese

[Cutetwirler]

Originally Posted by anrakushi

hours: as i think i my unversity i studied at in japan wanted at least 300 class hours, home study is generally less structured and doesn't help give an indication really. you can know that if someone has been in a class for 100 hrs they should have learnt this and this and this. whether they remember and can use it is another thing, but they have been instructed.

now that is pretty easy to count because you just multiply hours per week of class by the number of weeks you have studied. i could probably work out how many hours of Maths i studied during six years of highschool (it goes from 7-12 here)


As for Kanji: At least for me this is easy, I use a language testing software called ProVoc. I load all the kanji i need to know for level 2 JLPT into it and I load on average 5 compounds from the level 2 JLPT vocabulary list (more compounds if the list contains them, if less i add some other useful compounds) Then the program tests me, like a flashcard program, showing me the english eg. essays, miscellaneous writings. then i write in my book the kanji 随筆 and then i type it onto the computer to check my answer. this gives me written practice and forces me to remember the character without recognising it like most flashcard testing does. I learn 5 new kanji each day with their compounds and test a random bunch of already tested compounds. i can track how many kanji i really know how to read and write by the list in my program. I may be able to recognise some other kanji but i wouldn't say i know them that well. for me i don't know a kanji until i can read and write it and know it in common compounds.

Your method of kanji learning sounds like a pain in the arse (with all due respect!). You know, there's a DS kanji game that does everything for you. Tests absolutely everything about kanji, so much so that although I am JLPT 2 kanji reading, I started at the bottom in the kanji game and have so far only worked my way up to the ８級　which is about a 7 year old's level.

[junkomi]

But you know I'm a native japanese,
I shouldn't vote on it?

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Cutetwirler

Your method of kanji learning sounds like a pain in the arse (with all due respect!). You know, there's a DS kanji game that does everything for you. Tests absolutely everything about kanji, so much so that although I am JLPT 2 kanji reading, I started at the bottom in the kanji game and have so far only worked my way up to the ８級　which is about a 7 year old's level.

What's the name of the kanji game?

[MMM]

Originally Posted by junkomi

But you know I'm a native japanese,
I shouldn't vote on it?

Sure you should. You are fluent. I was just kind of trying to see where people's levels were.

[Cyclamen]

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[lulu]

I really wanna learn Japanese, but my parents don't like Japan, so I'm doomed not to learn untill University!

[MMM]

Originally Posted by lulu

I really wanna learn Japanese, but my parents don't like Japan, so I'm doomed not to learn untill University!

Why would they not like Japan?

[lulu]

God knows!

[james1254]

Originally Posted by MMM

Why would they not like Japan?

Maybe her dad is like 80 and was a marine in the pacific theater :P

[anrakushi]

Originally Posted by Cutetwirler

Your method of kanji learning sounds like a pain in the arse (with all due respect!). You know, there's a DS kanji game that does everything for you. Tests absolutely everything about kanji, so much so that although I am JLPT 2 kanji reading, I started at the bottom in the kanji game and have so far only worked my way up to the ８級　which is about a 7 year old's level.

I have those games and i simply don't like them. i have about 4 different DS kanji training games and they just don't work as well. my way is not at all a pain in the arse, it is very easy and effective. i can track which words i keep getting wrong, quickly search for all words containing a particular kanji etc. I can even see statistics of how many i've been getting right and wrong in each session.

Those systems have some benefits but i find that writing on the ds is not realistic to real writing. they are all to sensitive and on some characters the way i write the character (very hand written style rather than computer style) it doesn't recognise them. While i have a kanji dictionary which is aimed more at adults and that accepts my writing styles. i assure you i learnt less in my time spent using the DS than i did on my program. you can't knock it until you have seen it in action :P

EDIT: i should mention i find these sort of programs better for complimenting my style of learning, not the basis of it. they are good for the sake of having sentences using the compounds that im learning.

I should point out that i learn my vocabulary through kanji, it helps me remember the words. so a program like these might help if you already know the words, but im learning the words as i learn the kanji and compounds.