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05-20-2008, 03:05 AM
I remember hearing about a specific word, てめ -- "Teme"?
[I'm not exactly sure on the spelling] From what I understand, there are many words - てめ being one of them - largely used in entertainment, but rarely used in real life situations. Is that accurate? |
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05-20-2008, 03:16 AM
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05-20-2008, 03:31 AM
so, the vibe I'm getting from this topic is:
Pop media (anime, manga, j-pop, j-rock, ect.) can be a useful tool, especially if you don't know anyone who speaks japanese natively, but if you use them as your sole means of learning the language, you will start saying things that will either offend others, or make you sound stupid (or both). Your learning process will also move much more slowly. So the best thing is to have a more formal study, but if you like the japanese pop media, it can aid your learning. Am I gathering the right info here? |
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05-20-2008, 04:11 AM
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You have more faith in non-formal language students than I do. Just the basic concepts of "formal speech" and "informal speech" are hard to comprehend for those that don't learn formally, as formal and informal isn't as black and white in English as it is in Japanese. So I don't think people know what to absorb and not to absorb. When Saya in Blood+ speaks to David or Julia (people she isn't familiar with) she uses a different form of speech than she does with her friends at school. There aren't always "formal characters" and "informal characters" and, of course, that is never true in real life. You need to be able to speak both formally and informally to sound like a native speaker, but the most important thing is knowing when what speaking style is appropriate. Anime is helpful, sometimes, in learning that for people that are already studying Japanese, but for someone coming in knowing nothing, it can be a real hazard. Dramas, live-action movies, variety shows are probably more accurate representations of how Japanese people really speak and include a variety of topics. |
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05-20-2008, 04:13 AM
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05-20-2008, 07:56 AM
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that is what i disagree. one because there are different type of learners, people like me with short attention span would probably have more success understanding anime conversation that a voice recording of japanese vocabulary. 2nd anime/drama etc... have a larger scope of conversation than any other source. well it might be true that it would be hard or impossible to learn "proper" japanese from these media but i think its undoubtedly a helpful media. i dont think its the anime/jdrama fault that you couldn't stop saying 'sorry' in informal Japanese in a test for Business Level Japanese. |
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05-20-2008, 09:08 AM
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The point is you cannot expect to learn Japanese from subbed anime. There are people that think this is possible. They are wrong. People with short attention spans are not good candidates for learning second languages. I spent 6 hours a week in a classroom and probably double that doing homework for four years to get Japanese "fluency" but I didn't feel fluent until I had lived in Japan for a couple years. |
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05-20-2008, 10:51 AM
I disagree with the FACT thing... I've never had a proper course in French until last year... Yet, I managed to pick up french from Anime and TV when I was younger... And I'm sure, if I had listened to it in Japanese when I was younger, it'd be Japanese that I speak instead of French...
Another example, I have a chinese friend in my class here... he's never had a single lesson of Japanese all his life, yet he can have basic conversations and can understand A LOT of Japanese, simply from watching anime and Japanese shows for the past 10 years... One thing I will say though, don't count on your level to be surperiour, but saying that you cannot learn Japanes from it is ridiculous... How do babies learn any language without having a translation for it????? |
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