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03-08-2009, 03:54 PM
As much as I dislike shadow (sorry bud) ...he's right. The Japanese sentence structure is far different from that of English. (Exp: "The boy ate an apple." would change to "Boy apple ate" in Japanese. And usually the subtitles are changed even more by leaving out words to make it sound more natural.
So...shadow is right. This time. As for workbooks, I wouldn't do it. Even if you ARE going to buy a workbook, you should just torrent one for free to save a few bucks. And they're still pretty useless (at least in my opinion) unless you're an absolute beginner. There's lots of online junk that let's you practice your verb conjugations and things of that nature. I think the base of learning Japanese is revolved around memorization. So buy/download yourself a Japanese-English dictionary, and expose yourself to as much Japanese as possible. If you have a myspace/facebook/xbox/playstation/etc/whatever change your language to Japanese. Watch tons of Jdramas. Listen to tons of Jmusic. Download a program called Keyhole TV that let's you watch Japanese tv. And memorize memorize memorize. But don't rely on subtitles, they're only good if they're in all Hiragana (assuming you can't read kanji yet) for practice reading Hiragana/Katakana, other than that, they're pretty useless. Hope this helped.  猿も木から落ちる
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03-08-2009, 05:57 PM
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03-08-2009, 06:20 PM
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Your asking how I learn? AJATT. Its the only way. Yes I am in a class, but its for the lols, I've not written anything down for yonks.. I'm just there to be with my mates and to get some 1:1 with the Sensei, asking more difficult questions during break time. MissMisa/Krisichi will back me up here, since theyre the friends I go to class with.
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03-09-2009, 09:09 PM
alanX has pretty much hit the nail on the head, but I'd like to clarify. He said the key to Japanese is memorization. I think this should read "the key to any language is memorization. I've learned more than my share of languages over the years. It's always this way. To me, grammar comes easy and vocabulary comes hard because I don't like rote memorization; it's the necessary thing, though!
As for shad0w, my beef with him has shown up before on the board. I try to remain civil, but I'd like to point out that if shad0w didn't care about his rep or ego on the board, he wouldn't quote people in his sig in an attempt to poke fun at them. It's not just me he's done it to. He's done it to people who ask n00b questions (apparently forgetting he was once as unskilled as they). Everyone, of course, cares what others think of them. We are all entities with egos.
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03-09-2009, 10:20 PM
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 Indeed I was once a noob who could only write it "konichiwa" in romaji, but I never use a translator pretending I'm fluent or anything rubbish like that. The sig thing is very recent, and it was only to poke fun at pretenders that make people who study hard look like their wasting their time. You're just a special case. Congratulations.
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japanesepod101.com -
03-09-2009, 11:11 PM
I would try this if you don't have access to native speakers.
Good steady content and , if you want to go for the paid option, reasonably priced. No affiliation with the site or the owners, just like their product.
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03-13-2009, 04:33 AM
Shad0w, you of course missed the part of my post where I said that "[e]veryone, of course, cares what others think of them. We are all entities with egos." And I wouldn't consider myself a loser either, since there never was a competition. You gave wrong advice, you were corrected by a native speaker (so it's not just me being wrong or something), and I criticized you for being a jerk about it—perhaps I took it a bit too far.
I didn't exclude myself from the statement about having an ego and caring about what other people think. But peace, brother, I'm putting this behind me.
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03-13-2009, 10:39 AM
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i drive my teachers crazy :3 Has Claimed Aya Kamiki, mine!
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