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06-02-2009, 06:01 PM

It also depends how you study them.
It took me somewhere around the year to learn 250 kanji. However I do not just learn a sound, for each kanji I learn both reading and try to learn all the meanings as well.
Just to make you understand how long it is, to repeat all 250 reading+meanings my lunch hour at work is almost no longer enough.
Now if you are just "dicking around", what you want to do is fine. If you want to find a constructive way of studying, take your time. I don't think you use Japanese on daily bases, thus what you learn will be forgotten soon. You need to review you kanji everyday (ALL of them) and add new ones only when you are ready. Rushing a bunch of pictures in your head will bring you nowehere. Moreover the more you get into kanji, the more similar kanji you will find and the more you will get confused.
I would also suggest once you arrive at a hundred or so, review you kanji and start writing them down on a regular bases.

Studying kanj is not impossible, but it is not a piece of cake. If you want to stady seriously then plan very well what you are about to do. If you just look for a way to waste time and not learn anything, then you are on the right path.


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06-04-2009, 12:39 AM

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good luck with your task, for me I write a lot down, about 100 at a time and then put them in an SRS and just learn them, however long it takes.

Good luck, it's good you've found a method that works!
Thanks Scoob, appreciate the comment and support.

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You know you don't have to post 5 times in a row right? You can copy and paste, so you can keep it to one post
Ah, true. never thought of that, thanks
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It also depends how you study them.
It took me somewhere around the year to learn 250 kanji. However I do not just learn a sound, for each kanji I learn both reading and try to learn all the meanings as well.
Just to make you understand how long it is, to repeat all 250 reading+meanings my lunch hour at work is almost no longer enough.
Now if you are just "dicking around", what you want to do is fine. If you want to find a constructive way of studying, take your time. I don't think you use Japanese on daily bases, thus what you learn will be forgotten soon. You need to review you kanji everyday (ALL of them) and add new ones only when you are ready. Rushing a bunch of pictures in your head will bring you nowehere. Moreover the more you get into kanji, the more similar kanji you will find and the more you will get confused.
I would also suggest once you arrive at a hundred or so, review you kanji and start writing them down on a regular bases.

Studying kanj is not impossible, but it is not a piece of cake. If you want to stady seriously then plan very well what you are about to do. If you just look for a way to waste time and not learn anything, then you are on the right path.
I understand what you (and many others) are saying. I admit it myself, it's a ridiculous way of studying. But I'm confident that it will help me. I don't expect to remember them all, But I know I'll remember a decent amount.

And I literally have ALL DAY to study and review. from the moment I wake up to the moment I go to sleep. And I honestly use a large portion of that time to study/review. So I'm not just "dicking around". I'm serious about this. Thanks for your concern, but I think I'll stick to this method for a while. At least until I notice a decline in my ability to retain new Kanji. So far I think I'm doing alright though.


P.S. anyone know the meaning of ??
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06-04-2009, 01:27 AM

I highly recommend James Heisig's Remembering the Kanji book. The community site can be found here: Remember and review kanji flashcards online with James Heisig's "Remembering the Kanji"

以 = by means of, because, in view of, compared with (ィ、もって)
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06-04-2009, 09:52 AM

100 kanji a day is impossible without a truly eidetic memory. Period.

Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar.
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06-04-2009, 11:42 PM

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I highly recommend James Heisig's Remembering the Kanji book. The community site can be found here: Remember and review kanji flashcards online with James Heisig's "Remembering the Kanji"

以 = by means of, because, in view of, compared with (ィ、もって)
I've looked into RTK before, It's a good way to help your recognition of the kanji, but i find it doesn't go into enough detail.
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I agree.. Which is why I'm doing 20.
still pretty crazy though

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I've looked into RTK before, It's a good way to help your recognition of the kanji, but i find it doesn't go into enough detail.


I agree.. Which is why I'm doing 20.
still pretty crazy though
I agree, RTK doesn't give any pronunciations. What it helps you with is being able to identify recurring elements in characters so you can learn them faster. For example, 試 (test) is "speech", "craft", and "arrow". It gives an amusing story to remember that those three together are "test".
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06-05-2009, 01:34 AM

You will not be able to even learn to memorize the writing of 2000 kanji in 100 days, let alone remember what they all mean. If you work hard, you might be able to fully memorize the 100 or so kanji (and their various meanings/correct kana spellings) on the JLPT4 test.

If you were smart, and worked hard at it, and lived in Japan (where you are exposed to the language full-time), you might be able to learn the 2000 kanji in 3 years.
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06-05-2009, 09:38 AM

I think 2000 is doable in 2 years for a highly motivated person of slightly above-average intelligence. 20 per week for two years is possible so long as you don't slack and study effectively.

I've been knocking out 26 per week for the past couple months, making a push to JLPT1. I start work as a lawyer in August, so I will actually have the cash to fly out of Texas and sit for the exam at some point.

I'm not planning on taking it this year (no sense in forcing it into my schedule so spontaneously when I don't need to sit for the exam other than for grins), but I finally decided, in the midst of all my studying for the bar exam, to start adding kanji again (and re-adding some that I almost never have used in the past couple years).
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06-05-2009, 12:27 PM

I am also trying to learn kanji (along with a language course in college, but I'm on break now). I use this website, but mostly because I'm totally lazy and like flashcards that I don't have to make myself: Drill and learn the Japanese kanji, learn Japanese

I don't think anyone's already posted this one, but if it has been, just ignore me. I like this site because it splits the kanji into the grades, which is not overwhelming at all (some websites and dictionaries just through them all together, which is scary). Good luck with memorizing these! I'm doing pretty well so far, which means that it's not impossible (but then again, I'm not giving myself a time limit because I'd just procrastinate >.<).
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06-08-2009, 10:01 PM

well, I got a job finally. (yay)
and unfortunately starting tommorow I won't have the time to do this 20 Kanji a day thing. So... I'm not quite sure whats going to happen.

I think that once I get my blog up and running I'll start posting maybe like... 20 a week on there. Anyways, sorry to anyone who was actually following along (though i doubt there was anyone). It was fun while it lasted, I can recall most of the kanji i've learned so far, and i can recognize the rest (usually). So i'd say it was pretty useful. Just gotta make sure I keep up my daily reviews.

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