Using 'according to' and referencing sources

[sTEV0]

Textbooks say that using 'ni yoru to' (ie shimbun ni yoru to) is too formal for a casual conversation.

What is a more casual way of saying 'according to' when referencing news, people etc?

[KyleGoetz]

によって is less formal than によると.

Edit: This is incorrect.

[sTEV0]

Brilliant, thanks a lot. I only have a formal education in Japanese, my casual chatting leaves something to be required.

[Nagoyankee]

Originally Posted by KyleGoetz

によって is less formal than によると.

Those two don't even mean the same thing.....

[sTEV0]

Oh?
Crossed wires somewhere?

[Nagoyankee]

新聞によると～～ = according to the newspaper

"新聞によると、マイケル・ジャクソンが亡くなったら� �い。" = According to the newspaper, Micheal Jackson is dead.　

新聞によって～～ = by the newspaper (it speaks of a function of a newspaper)

新聞によって世界のニュースが分かる。 = The newspaper enables us to learn the world news.

によって and によると are never interchangeable.
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To answer the original question,　”～によると”　isn't all that formal to begin with. Even elementary school kids use the phrase.

But if you absolutely HAVE TO make it less formal, you could say "新聞ではマイケル・ジャクソンが亡くなったと言っている。"

[KyleGoetz]

Really? I was specifically taught by multiple Japanese teachers that they mean "according to." Of course, that would be the English meaning, so that could explain how the wires got crossed.

You honestly can't say 友達によってミスターインクレディブルがおもしろい? You have to use によると?

Wow, that's a big anvil dropped on my head after years of using them interchangeably.

How many more grammar points have I been using incorrectly all these years without knowing so?

This is exactly why I never claim to be "fluent," and why I caution people use that term willy nilly. I mean, I was 100% sure I was right when I made that comment. Darnit.

[Ronin4hire]

I thought によって　means depending on.

So to me your sentence means

"Depending on the friend, Mr Incredible is interesting."

I didn't realise there were other uses.

Thanks all

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

I thought によって　means depending on.

So to me your sentence means

"Depending on the friend, Mr Incredible is interesting."

I didn't realise there were other uses.

Thanks all

I think you are thinking of ～によって違う

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by MMM

I think you are thinking of ～によって違う

I'm not familiar with that grammar point maybe

I've always used によって like "depending"　but never with　違う (or is 違う just an example of a verb?)

Like in the above example. Or perhaps a more natural example would be

天気によって、.海に行きます。

That to me means:

"Depending on the weather, I will go to the beach."

Is that correct?　If not how should I say this sentence?

I've always just used で　in the examples Nagoyankee gives.

新聞で世界のニュースが分かる