When to use ぬ form?

[jkami]

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What is the difference between そうかと言って and と言っても?


Can I also say そうと言っても？

[jkami]

See...this is what happen if I don't create a new thread...
noone come in to answer my question

[KyleGoetz]

Originally Posted by jkami

See...this is what happen if I don't create a new thread...
noone come in to answer my question

Yeah, I mean holy crap 16 hours later and no one has washed your feet yet!

[duo797]

I actually do have a question about something said earlier. What kind of person tends to say 食わねばならぬ? Is it characteristic of a certain kind of person/style of writing or talking or something like that?

[Sashimister]

Originally Posted by duo797

I actually do have a question about something said earlier. What kind of person tends to say 食わねばならぬ? Is it characteristic of a certain kind of person/style of writing or talking or something like that?

Basically, no one says that in present-day Japan. Even my grandpas didn't say it.

You will see it once in a while in old writings and hear it in period dramas. It's usually, but not entirely, adult males who use the form.

You will be laughed at if you use it today.

[KyleGoetz]

Originally Posted by Sashimister

Basically, no one says that in present-day Japan. Even my grandpas didn't say it.

You will see it once in a while in old writings and hear it in period dramas. It's usually, but not entirely, adult males who use the form.

You will be laughed at if you use it today.

In general, the ぬ ending is pretty much dead, right? I mean, you can use it and people will understand you, but it's like English "thou" and "thee": it would sound moderately pretentious to use it, and you'd be perceived as a silly person or someone a bit odd, wishing it were olden times.

Right?

[Sashimister]

Originally Posted by KyleGoetz

In general, the ぬ ending is pretty much dead, right? I mean, you can use it and people will understand you, but it's like English "thou" and "thee": it would sound moderately pretentious to use it, and you'd be perceived as a silly person or someone a bit odd, wishing it were olden times.

Right?

Right. It just doesn't blend in too well with the "rest" of the modern Japanese.

Some younger people might use it in poetry but then anything is allowed in poetry. All you Japanese-learners need to know is what it means in case you encounter it somewhere.

[jkami]

What is the difference between そうかと言って and と言っても?


Can I also say そうと言っても？

[KyleGoetz]

Originally Posted by jkami

What is the difference between そうかと言って and と言っても?


Can I also say そうと言っても？

Before you complain that your questions never get answered: I don't know how to answer this.

[biocit]

What is the difference between そうかと言って and と言っても?

I believe と言っても means, "although; although I say...; although it's called..."

an example would be:

ケーキと言ってもまるで石のようだ。
literally: Although I said cake, it's like a rock.
English equivalent: Although I said it was a cake, it's more like a rock.


I never heard of そうかと言って but I did some snooping around.

It means, "but still". I have no idea on how to use it, but it's a conjunction just like と言っても. It would probably be used in a similar way.