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03-16-2010, 02:18 AM
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1) I'm not pro-anything. You're inferring a little too much. 2) Do not bring YuriTokoro into this argument. This is an issue between you and I, not you and I and her. 3) Similiarly, finding argument traction in my complete lack of knowledge of the Japanese language is not a part of this disagreement. If it makes you feel any better, however, I will admit I know very very little (practically nothing) about the Japanese language. This is not a big secret I keep hidden. Quote:
1) Classical Japanese - another strawman argument, which has no bearing on this discussion. 2) Labeling me as a "sad anime fan" is yet another baseless comparison. I have never expressed myself as such, nor will I ever do so. Watching anime is my current entertainment choice, simply put. I certainly hope I have cleared up any misunderstanding surrounding my purpose for posting in this thread, and I do apologize for using such polarizing terms. Unfortunately for you, she is not here. "Ride for ruin, and the world ended!" |
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03-16-2010, 02:30 AM
Whoa, before this turns into something more hostile...
Sashimister - I think you have to step back for a moment to see part of what Koir is talking about. And it isn`t just you, and I don`t really think it is entirely about romaji vs. kana. I am against using romaji, but I can still see part of this and can understand some of the exasperation. It seems that recently more and more outright hostility is directed toward romaji users... And a lot of it isn`t necessary in my eyes. Instead of informing new users that they`ll progress much better, etc, by using kana - there is an attitude of "if you use romaji you aren`t good enough to learn Japanese" projected. Mistakes are blamed on the fact that they have used romaji, and a lot of the time - even if it`s the first post - they`re treated with incredible impatience. I think that this is the "attitude of elitism" mentioned. For a lot of learners, their first exposure is in romaji, and there are some schools that even teach without using kana for quite some time. I will never suggest that anyone should be using romaji, but is it necessary to be so dismissive of people who use it on their first few posts? |
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03-16-2010, 02:38 AM
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Thanks Nyororin! Unfortunately for you, she is not here. "Ride for ruin, and the world ended!" |
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03-16-2010, 03:20 AM
At the beginning what Sashimister intended to say is the usage of romaji could have probably confused people with どうも and ども. These two words have totally different meanings.
Generally, どうも should be written as doumo or dōmo; but since it's inconvenient, some people may just write domo (it may be considered wrong? however I do see some textbook omit the u or ō) As a result, when this phrase どうも is converted from romaji to hiragana it may be incorrectly written as ども. I believe that's what Sashimister was trying to say (at the very beginning) For begininers, romanji is surely a lot easier to use when learning Japanese. Since I am not a native speaker nor an advanved Japanese learner, I will leave Wiki to explain the history and use of romaji for me. Romanization of Japanese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia When I tried to search the infomartion about romaji, at first I search the Japanese Wiki by the phrase ロマン字 (romanji), which I found out it was incorrect. The correct word is ローマ字. This is another examples of "romanji influence" that Sashimister was saying. Koir, you have your points. However, Sashimister was pretty neutral in the first post of this thread. |
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03-16-2010, 03:38 AM
lol Sounds as if I had said something unreasonable.
If the majority of JF members agree with you on the romaji issue, I'll be more than happy to get the heck outa here as I have much more than a single member's influence on the language section as of now. Endorsing the use of romaji, which has nothing to do with Japanese, is the last thing I want to do. I'm not a vendor of fake fur. |
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