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10-22-2010, 07:41 PM
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I mean, when you double a voiceless consonant in English, I think all you do is perform a glottal stop anyway. 
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10-22-2010, 09:04 PM
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 But seriously, as a fellow American teenage girl, PLEASE STOP. You're making us look bad. Your whole victim act is really childish, and what SM is doing really isn't that unreasonable. Here's an analogy of the situation here; "I can beat up full grown bears! I'm like super good at it too, I do it all the time!" "Bullshit." "HOMG U R so mean! You're calling me a liar because you're a jealous meanie with no life." "Then prove it." "I don't have to prove anything to some weirdo bully who goes around calling people liars without proof. Why don't you just leave me alone!? TT____TT so mean! BAAAAAAAWWW" And yet this person would continue to boast about their unproven ability, pull the "I'm a victim; leave me alone, you're a Bully" act when others had reasonable doubts, and instruct others on the art of beating up bears (telling them things that are wrong and could possibly cause them harm). How retarded and annoying would that be? That's exactly what you're doing and it's LAME. I don't know why you won't just compromise and accept that your Japanese isn't that good, you don't know "a lot" but you'd like improve. It's very clear that we have vastly different definitions of "a lot". I sympathize with wanting to help and being proud of what you've learned so far, but you're letting your ego get the better of you. I know about 500 kanji. Am I a little proud that I've probably gotten farther in my Japanese studies than 95% of weeaboos who try to learn Japanese? You bet. Am I about to sing praises of my Japanese ability, argue with a native Japanese speaker on facets of Japanese, and claim I know 'a lot' so I'm qualified to teach others? Hell no. (And, by the way, 500 kanji is NOT a lot when talking about Japanese proficiency. The sad thing here is my Japanese is probably better than yours, but I constantly state "My Japanese is for shit" before giving people advice so they'll know to take what I say with a large grain of salt.) Your Japanese level clearly isn't as high as you say it is. Moreover, you 'teaching' other people will more than likely have a detrimental effect, which is why SM is concerned. Consider SM's position; He's a native Japanese speaker who teaches Japanese to foreigners professionally. He's a huge help on this site, and he helps monitor users like you. Do you know how many users we've had on this site just like you who have done exactly what you're doing who in the end just egotistical weeaboos? The last person we had like this (that I know of) was a 16-year-old boy who actually charged money for his 'classes' when he was a prolific online translator user with a low Japanese level. Using a little empathy, do you see how this would really frustrate a legitimate teacher? This teenager didn't help out; he taught people incorrect shit just to make money and ego-trip. You really are doing the same thing he did, so it's no wonder SM is bothered by you. And your whole immature uncompromising victim attitude certainly isn't making things any better. I know it's hard to say you're wrong, especially when it's just one person telling you so. So here's a second opinion; You're in the wrong here, humbly demote your title as a "beginner Japanese student" instead of your current self-proclaimed "intermediate-advanced Japanese student/teacher" title, because it's getting on people's nerves.
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10-23-2010, 03:25 AM
While I think that the near flaming should end, I agree with a lot of what Sashimister is saying.
There is a VERY VERY easy way to end any doubt or suspicion regarding Japanese level. Write something in it. Quote:
To quote myself - "The biggest reason this throws up flags is that someone who knows a lot of Japanese and a lot about Japanese should be pretty darned familiar with 能ある鷹は爪を隠す, and how incredibly grating and appalling it is to a Japanese person to ignore it." I think, from her replies to me, that she doesn`t understand that she isn`t being picked on and that she could end any doubt with just a few lines of Japanese. Or that the biggest reason people are suspicious of her is that she refuses to take the easiest and simplest option to prove her skill... Instead choosing to become very defensive and hostile to anyone who doesn`t give her complete belief. I`ve basically given up on having a reasonable discussion regarding it with her - especially as on other topics (such as moving to Japan) she only wants to hear support for a plan she`s come up with, and no "That isn`t legal" or "Perhaps you should visit Japan at least once before deciding to run about trying to illegally stay in the country forever..." The reaction was similar to any questioning of language skill - ie. I know I can do it! What do you know?! Why are you picking on me and trying to keep me out of Japan?!? What makes you think you`re so much better than me?!? etc. *sigh* However, simply being immature is not a ban worthy offense.
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10-23-2010, 04:12 AM
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Now bow before me, ye larvae, and marvel at my supremacy!
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10-23-2010, 05:11 AM
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The reason I don't prove my skill is because I don't know you, and I have hardly any time at all to go on here. I have school and work and homework and studying and I am always tired. I don't feel I should have to prove myself to you just to get you to stop accusing me. I know how much I know and if I knew that the only way to peacefully come on this site was to write a huge sentence in Japanese then I wouldn't have bothered. I only come on here in my spare time for a little fun. I suddenly get accused of something that is not true, and even though you are a stranger it hurts a little bit. It hurts to be called a liar about something that I know is completely true. I understand where you are coming from believe me I know those kind of people. But when I see those people I just laugh and ignore it because they are the ones who will fail and they are the ones who have to lie to get people's attention. I assure you I am not one of that kind. I am not fluent, and there is so much I have to learn. But I can speak at a level that a Japanese person could understand and I practice in my head a lot. Japanese has always been something serious and important to me So I am sorry if I offended you but I hope you will take my word. I didn't know I had to prove my skill. Obviously you have had to deal with a lot of people like you are talking about but I don't want to be a part of that. Have a nice day.
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10-23-2010, 06:10 AM
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To me it's really strange that all I did was ask some simple questions from someone who seemed like a normal adult. But for some reason instead of being nice and mature and giving helpful answers you thought it a chance to act your snobby little attitude. It's a little sad that you like to act mean and act like you know everything. You don't. I know now that I am much smarter and WAY WAY more mature. It's very childish to act this way. I wonder if you act like this to everyone you don't know or just online. I hope you know you are trying to sound smart and arguing with a 16 year old girl. Let me tell you something, you won't get far if you don't stop acting like you are better than anyone. You need a better attitude. You shouldn't have to hear this from a 16 year old, you should be smart and mature enough by now to act like a normal person. If you think your immature words have made any little affect then that is pretty sad. You sound ignorant and arrogant when you try to talk and you seem so much like you have no idea what you are even talking about. And of course, you can say anything you want online because you are safe behind your little screen. I know what kind of person you really are, I have dealt with this kind before. Maybe you have too much anger inside so you try to be mean to everyone online. But acting and talking this way does not make you sound cool or intimidating. It makes you sound like you are not good with people or talking in a regular manner. You're dump little lies and you're little rude smart ass comments mean nothing because I know you are just angry or sad inside. I don't know why you are this way but you won't get anywhere acting like this. You have a huge ego and you think you are just the smartest and most wonderful person in the world that you can tell everyone what to do, even strangers, and you think everyone just wants to listen to what you say. No one cares. You really care about trying to prove you are better than me and I find it sad. You stalk me on my posts and say I make mistakes which you can't even point out. Instead of just walking away laughing like I or ANY mature smart person would do. you care so much about trying to prove I am wrong you are willing to put time out of your day to talk to a 16 year old girl on a messenger. Maybe it's because you have nothing better to do at all. You waste my time when I actually have things to do. I don't have to prove myself to you about something I know. I hope you find help with your problem and are able to act in a much much better way towards people because believe it or not you are not better than everyone else, you only think you are and want to believe you are which is another weird problem. Do you believe everyone is lying to you when you have no proof or reason? Who says you are not lying? Because obviously sounding cool and tough online is the most important thing to you. That is what you are doing and it's really not smart. So according to you if everyone who says they know a lot of one language just a liar? I think you said this just because you were bored and wanted to be snobby. I cannot stand people who are rude and snobby for no reason. I simply came on this website just for fun, just for little chit chat about Japanese fashion, movies, etc. in my spare time. It is not my life like it seems to be yours. I do not spend hours trying to prove I know the most and I am the best. I suggest that you find a solution for this problem because you can't go around thinking you are better than everyone when you are not. How skillful I am does NOT go by what some stranger online thinks it is. It goes by my life which is more important than a silly forum. You just wait for your chance for someone to come on the boards so you can try to act superior to them. Find something else to do with your time because no one cares what you think. Your opinion does not matter. Why you think you can everyone's skill and tell me what to do is very strange to me. You just want me to be wrong so bad, when you know I am not, that you are willing to stalk me on the boards and write long messages trying to sound intimidating when you aren't. It makes you so happy and excited to think I made some mistake but you refuse to prove where it is or even prove your skill to me. You care so much about finding out about me and how much I know, it's very weird. No happy or kind person is this anxious to be rude and snobby to people. I think it makes you feel good inside but makes you look really stupid. I hope you drop this attitude and be respectful and helpful to people instead of being extremely rude. Now I know I will do better in Japan because you just want to sour to people. I don't know why in your head you think it's alright just to have a mean tone and bad attitude about everything when people just think it's stupid. I am younger than you but I know how to treat people and I know how to act right. Have fun annoying people with your time
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10-23-2010, 02:10 PM
Mira, it looks like you were banned, but in case you come back here, I want you to read this post carefully:
We have people come here all the time who are not good with Japanese, yet they jump out and give wrong answers and bad advice to people all the time with no warning that they've only been studying, say, one month or something. This misleads newbies and spreads ignorance. With that being said, you came here and said "I know a lot of Japanese." Then you proceeded to basically use Japanese never, aside from scattered すみません and such. It looks pretty suspicious, don't you think? Can you not understand why there were strong reactions against you? 1. You appeared to be the typical problem poster; 2. You refused to listen to the people on this board who speak way better Japanese than you; and 3. You refused to listen to advice that Japanese culture sort-of forbids making a claim such as "I know a lot of Japanese." Finally, you shouldn't use your age and gender as a shield. On the Internet, we are all 16 year old girls.
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10-23-2010, 02:34 PM
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Please be kinder to her-- she needs encouragement to maybe study even more Japanese-- I actually think that the original poster with the query needs to be guided to some good books and recordings of learning to read and pronounce the written language- which is a huge task really. there surely are many courses out there-- which would you recommend that is affordable? I have some excellent books where I copy Kana-- copying over and over until it becomes improved. The stroke order does become automatic with all the constant writing of each letter etc. having so much variant advice through the forum could easily confuse shinjo. Better surely to invest in decent courses and books and charts. I am a very slow learner-- so have to take things slowly until they make sense. Listening is also important-- I can only do that via my IPOd courses that I bought plus various useful websites. My japanese friend taught me how to utter the vowel sounds. I listen to my recordings as much as possible but I need speaking practice with live Japanese people as the Courses can be very limiting. But My Kana text book with its facility for copying over and over via tracing and fitting into the squares is very helpful. I have flash cards of both but would learn more quickly with quiz games if anyone can recommend such a site to practice the Kana. I dearly would love to have access to japanese films so I can listen more. I also have books on Kanji but no progress so far. it is the actual calligraphy that fascinates me so much as I think its beautiful. ANyway, please be kind to Mira-- she has tried to be helpful and should be appreciated for her efforts-- not Jumped on as seems to be happening. Sixteen year olds need encouragement and guidance rather than to be put down all the time. There are ways and ways to treat them, for all you know-- you could damage her love of learning Japanese. So seriously why not guide Shinjon? to good websites or teaching material. None of us are perfect are we. (Forgive me if the original poster is not shinjon.
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