Newbie at Japanese

[duo797]

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

ANyway, please be kind to Mira-- she has tried to be helpful and should be

appreciated for her efforts-- not Jumped on as seems to be happening.

Sixteen year olds need encouragement and guidance rather than to be put down all the time.

There are ways and ways to treat them, for all you know-- you could damage her love of learning Japanese.

So seriously why not guide Shinjon? to good websites or teaching material.

None of us are perfect are we. (Forgive me if the original poster is not shinjon.

I tried to stay out of this argument (successfully, it seems), but it's not hard to understand why people were getting all upset. I would say almost every serious student of Japanese knows that humility is a virtue when it comes to Japan. I'm not saying that I endorse how Mira acted or how any of our regular posters acted, but I can certainly understand why they felt angered by her. Also, I feel like the point where I saw this start (the thread about ほど) had a valid point. ほど, especially in the use it was being asked about, is hardly an advanced topic. I think my text book goes over it in the first hundred pages or so.

To be fair, I don't think I had the greatest head on my shoulders back when I was 16, so I'm sure I made some mistakes. If nothing else, she can come away from this situation with the knowledge that: A) People can be jerks. B) Sometimes the quickest way to end an argument is to admit you're wrong (regardless of whether or not you are, and regardless of whether or not you believe it).

[StonerPenguin]

HAHAHAHAHA Well that (Mira's last message) was the gayest thing I've read in a long time Good stuff man. Also, she's banned? Like for real? Hooray! She's been derailing the language board since she got here (but if we have a problem with that we're immature and childish with some kind of psychological problem because we're "sad or angry inside" *rolls eyes*). That whole message was so overly dramatic (and really inappropriate considering these are just comments on a forum jeez)

@ dogsbody70
You're not helping, the last thing she needs is someone condoning her unacceptable behavior. She's 16, not 5.

Originally Posted by mira

I know now that I am much smarter and WAY WAY more mature.

Originally Posted by mira

it applies to all of you

She went around being super rude and immature and said she was smarter and more mature than everyone here! How does that deserve kindness in any way? I'm a teenage girl too, and I'm not that much older than her yet I can function on the internet with needing people perpetually kissing my ass or I'm gonna have a childish temper tantrum and pull some fake-o psychiatrist crap claiming that everybody who doesn't like me has some kind of secret emotional issue. "You just don't like me because you have doo-doo in you souls!"

Moreover, she was disrespectful to a MOD (what a retard!) who's a mother! This isn't just unacceptable in Japanese culture, it's unacceptable anywhere.

So thank god she's gone, because it really didn't look like she was going to be mature and just eat that humble pie anytime soon. :/

Also, more proof of my psychic ability;

Originally Posted by StonerPenguin

"Then prove it."
"I don't have to prove anything to some weirdo bully who goes around calling people liars without proof. Why don't you just leave me alone!? TT____TT so mean! BAAAAAAAWWW"
And yet this person would continue to boast about their unproven ability, pull the "I'm a victim; leave me alone, you're a Bully" act when others had reasonable doubts

Originally Posted by mira

You waste my time when I actually have things to do. I don't have to prove myself to you about something I know.

Behold! Isn't it astounding? (And for record, I've done a better proving I'm psychic than Mira has done proving that she's good at Japanese ) HAHAHA!

We don't have to be nice to her anyway; she's banned. Let us sing "Ding-dong the witch is dead" and be merry (And maybe SM's strike will end? *pretty-please*)

[duo797]

Originally Posted by StonerPenguin

Behold! Isn't it astounding? (And for record, I've done a better proving I'm psychic than Mira has done proving that she's good at Japanese ) HAHAHA!

We don't have to be nice to her anyway; she's banned. Let us sing "Ding-dong the witch is dead" and be merry (And maybe SM's strike will end? *pretty-please*)

No use beating a dead horse here. Commenting to Dogsbody is fine, but what's the point of responding to Mira after she's banned save for self-satisfaction? I hope the language forum can get back to business as usual, but the best way to do it is to not make a big deal out of this and just move on.

[BakaTensei]

are you physic? haha

[StonerPenguin]

Originally Posted by duo797

No use beating a dead horse here. Commenting to Dogsbody is fine, but what's the point of responding to Mira after she's banned save for self-satisfaction? I hope the language forum can get back to business as usual, but the best way to do it is to not make a big deal out of this and just move on.

That's what I was saying O: However, Mira is undoubtedly going to comeback to read these messages; I was just getting my last two cents out before we moved on (like Kyle did).

Originally Posted by BakaTensei

are you physic? haha

Nah, I was just being silly (and poking a little fun at how predictable Mira is)

To get back on subject;
I remember my own troubles with っ -- For a long time I thought it was the same as ー because I didn't have any audio to go with my first Japanese book and my primary source for listening to the Japanese language was music. But all to often in Japanese songs っ is sung as an extra vowel (i.e. だった sung as だあた) so that messed with my head for a long time; "So ４日(よっか) and ８日 (ようか) are pronounced the same!? Then you would only know what date it was if you read it! How do Japanese people know which is which in speech!?" Haha So lessons learned, don't practice pronunciation from songs

[MMM]

Originally Posted by StonerPenguin

Behold! Isn't it astounding? (And for record, I've done a better proving I'm psychic than Mira has done proving that she's good at Japanese ) HAHAHA!

We don't have to be nice to her anyway; she's banned. Let us sing "Ding-dong the witch is dead" and be merry (And maybe SM's strike will end? *pretty-please*)

Did your psychic ability tell you it was a one-week temp ban?

Although I think mira could have done things differently, she was attacked pretty hard. Not JF's kindest welcome.

[StonerPenguin]

Originally Posted by MMM

Did your psychic ability tell you it was a one-week temp ban?

Although I think mira could have done things differently, she was attacked pretty hard. Not JF's kindest welcome.

Are you calling me a liar? My level of psychic ability is NOT determined by some stranger on the internet. You think you can accuse me because you're all tough behind your little screen but I know you're just some bully who's angry and jealous on the inside. Okay? I KNOW I'm psychic, and I don't have to prove myself to a mean old man on a forum who picks on teenage girls without any reason. (Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'm in a terrible mood to make inane and retarded comments today, so don't let my stupidity bother you. It's 100% a joke )

Also, don't confuse me with the facts! She's banned forever; all we gotta do is make this week last the rest of our lives

On a serious note; I do believe this problem is solved, and we should move on. I doubt she'll come back and if she does; either a week of of thinking on what she did will make her realize the shitting in everyone's Wheaties (especially in the Wheaties of a mod) really isn't a good idea and try to get along with everyone OR she'll come back as hostile as ever in which case perma-ban can't be too far off her heels.

Regardless of what route she takes, I think it'll work out. That said, I'm really missing the functioning language board. I hope this little hiccup settles soon.

[dogsbody70]

forgive me what did I miss?

I saw Mira answering a query re hiragana-- I have no idea what was written in PM's but from where I was looking I felt she definitely was jumped on in a ridiculous manner.

whats it all about-- and by the way it would be good if some posters could refrain from swearing--------------

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by StonerPenguin

HAHAHAHAHA Well that (Mira's last message) was the gayest thing I've read in a long time Good stuff man. Also, she's banned? Like for real? Hooray! She's been derailing the language board since she got here (but if we have a problem with that we're immature and childish with some kind of psychological problem because we're "sad or angry inside" *rolls eyes*). That whole message was so overly dramatic (and really inappropriate considering these are just comments on a forum jeez)

@ dogsbody70
You're not helping, the last thing she needs is someone condoning her unacceptable behavior. She's 16, not 5.



She went around being super rude and immature and said she was smarter and more mature than everyone here! How does that deserve kindness in any way? I'm a teenage girl too, and I'm not that much older than her yet I can function on the internet with needing people perpetually kissing my ass or I'm gonna have a childish temper tantrum and pull some fake-o psychiatrist crap claiming that everybody who doesn't like me has some kind of secret emotional issue. "You just don't like me because you have doo-doo in you souls!"

Moreover, she was disrespectful to a MOD (what a retard!) who's a mother! This isn't just unacceptable in Japanese culture, it's unacceptable anywhere.

So thank god she's gone, because it really didn't look like she was going to be mature and just eat that humble pie anytime soon. :/

Also, more proof of my psychic ability;



Behold! Isn't it astounding? (And for record, I've done a better proving I'm psychic than Mira has done proving that she's good at Japanese ) HAHAHA!

We don't have to be nice to her anyway; she's banned. Let us sing "Ding-dong the witch is dead" and be merry (And maybe SM's strike will end? *pretty-please*)

crikey Sp you really think you are something else don't you. I think You are rude and unkind-------------



I've been in the world quite a long time---------- when one is a teenager one often believes one knows everything. I did when I was eighteen Now I am nearer 80-- I am still learning and realise if I lived for ever I would still not know a nth of the knowledge out there.

I have children grand chidren and grt gr children. I just hate to see unkindness-- its all too easy on these forums-------
people will hit out if they are hurt.


talk about having humility-- I haven't noticed much of it on this thread recently-- just cruel condemnation

[dogsbody70]

Originally Posted by mira

And I would like to share with all of you people my message to Nyororin because you think you are just the smartest, greatest people *rolls eyes* because it applies to all of you as well

To me it's really strange that all I did was ask some simple questions from someone who seemed like a normal adult. But for some reason instead of being nice and mature and giving helpful answers you thought it a chance to act your snobby little attitude. It's a little sad that you like to act mean and act like you know everything. You don't. I know now that I am much smarter and WAY WAY more mature. It's very childish to act this way. I wonder if you act like this to everyone you don't know or just online. I hope you know you are trying to sound smart and arguing with a 16 year old girl. Let me tell you something, you won't get far if you don't stop acting like you are better than anyone. You need a better attitude. You shouldn't have to hear this from a 16 year old, you should be smart and mature enough by now to act like a normal person. If you think your immature words have made any little affect then that is pretty sad. You sound ignorant and arrogant when you try to talk and you seem so much like you have no idea what you are even talking about. And of course, you can say anything you want online because you are safe behind your little screen. I know what kind of person you really are, I have dealt with this kind before. Maybe you have too much anger inside so you try to be mean to everyone online. But acting and talking this way does not make you sound cool or intimidating. It makes you sound like you are not good with people or talking in a regular manner. You're dump little lies and you're little rude smart ass comments mean nothing because I know you are just angry or sad inside. I don't know why you are this way but you won't get anywhere acting like this. You have a huge ego and you think you are just the smartest and most wonderful person in the world that you can tell everyone what to do, even strangers, and you think everyone just wants to listen to what you say. No one cares. You really care about trying to prove you are better than me and I find it sad. You stalk me on my posts and say I make mistakes which you can't even point out. Instead of just walking away laughing like I or ANY mature smart person would do. you care so much about trying to prove I am wrong you are willing to put time out of your day to talk to a 16 year old girl on a messenger. Maybe it's because you have nothing better to do at all. You waste my time when I actually have things to do. I don't have to prove myself to you about something I know. I hope you find help with your problem and are able to act in a much much better way towards people because believe it or not you are not better than everyone else, you only think you are and want to believe you are which is another weird problem. Do you believe everyone is lying to you when you have no proof or reason? Who says you are not lying? Because obviously sounding cool and tough online is the most important thing to you. That is what you are doing and it's really not smart. So according to you if everyone who says they know a lot of one language just a liar? I think you said this just because you were bored and wanted to be snobby. I cannot stand people who are rude and snobby for no reason. I simply came on this website just for fun, just for little chit chat about Japanese fashion, movies, etc. in my spare time. It is not my life like it seems to be yours. I do not spend hours trying to prove I know the most and I am the best. I suggest that you find a solution for this problem because you can't go around thinking you are better than everyone when you are not. How skillful I am does NOT go by what some stranger online thinks it is. It goes by my life which is more important than a silly forum. You just wait for your chance for someone to come on the boards so you can try to act superior to them. Find something else to do with your time because no one cares what you think. Your opinion does not matter. Why you think you can everyone's skill and tell me what to do is very strange to me. You just want me to be wrong so bad, when you know I am not, that you are willing to stalk me on the boards and write long messages trying to sound intimidating when you aren't. It makes you so happy and excited to think I made some mistake but you refuse to prove where it is or even prove your skill to me. You care so much about finding out about me and how much I know, it's very weird. No happy or kind person is this anxious to be rude and snobby to people. I think it makes you feel good inside but makes you look really stupid. I hope you drop this attitude and be respectful and helpful to people instead of being extremely rude. Now I know I will do better in Japan because you just want to sour to people. I don't know why in your head you think it's alright just to have a mean tone and bad attitude about everything when people just think it's stupid. I am younger than you but I know how to treat people and I know how to act right. Have fun annoying people with your time

I think Mira should apologise for sending this to Nyrorin-- but also for copying it onto here.

I have no idea why Mira wrote such a message to Nyrororin-- Young people often have an attitude towards older people-- I was a horrible teenager--

But more life lessons should help Mira to develop maturity.

It strikes me that she is simply hitting back because she is actually feeling hurt.

It was the initial posts where she tried to answer questions posed by the Original poster on this thread.


If I thought everyone was ganging up on ME-- I too would hit back.

encourage her with her Japanese.

we all make mistakes all the time--